What happens when an intellectual Enneagram 5 complains to Father Richard Rohr about sleeping on a one-inch mattress, only to be told, "That's exactly the point"?

In this thirteenth episode of Follow Me to the M-R-O-P!, host Brian Mueller sits down with Gary Meagher for a deeply reflective conversation about his 2008 initiation at Pilgrim Park, Illinois . Gary shares how he arrived at the rites as a 55-year-old seeking to jump into the "deep end of the pool" like a pearl diver searching for a greater connection. He reflects on how the visceral, shock value of the weekend forced him out of his comfortable "thinking head" and into a space of profound vulnerability.

Gary recounts the three "North Stars" given by Ritual Elder Stephen Picha—embracing nature, conte ...