What if a volleyball chat sparked a software company, award‑winning books, and the blueprint for your own escape from burnout?

In this episode, former teacher Marnie Stockman and lifelong programmer Nick Coniglio share how a casual conversation across a volleyball net led to a niche software platform, a successful exit, and a whole new chapter as leadership authors.

You’ll hear how they went from misaligned culture and burnout in a huge edtech company to building, selling, and reinventing again with a career-coaching app designed for the next generation in your pocket.

If you’re feeling burned out at work or stuck in a W‑2 role and wondering if you could ever start a business, their story will give you real‑world insight on set ...