Crime Discussion begins at 24:30

We talk about how trauma shows up, how it shapes us, and how people turn pain into purpose; before moving into the story of Douglas Garland and the murders of Alvin and Kathy Liknes and 5-year-old Nathan O’Brien.

This episode covers: ✨ Why trauma is subjective and not a competition ✨ The tools that actually help (therapy, journaling, community, creativity) ✨ Two incredible women who turned their trauma into change ✨ A factual, victim-centered breakdown of the Liknes–O’Brien case ✨ How Jennifer O’Brien transformed unimaginable grief into the Nathan O’Brien Children’s Foundation

This isn’t about glorifying a killer. It’s about honouring victims, sharing hope, and reminding you:

You are not what happened to you. You are what you choose to do next.