In this episode of What the Prophets Say, Emma Stark is joined by Jonah Wilson and Matt Johnson for a hilarious, honest, and weighty end-of-year conversation that turns sharply into a prophetic call: the Church has a leadership problem, and it’s rooted in a lack of journeying with people.

Together they unpack what it means to follow Jesus and lead others at the same time. From Peter’s messy, Spirit-led learning curve to modern leaders who raise people up too quickly without real parenting and accountability, this episode challenges listeners to move from past-to-present thinking into present-to-future leadership.

You’ll hear why:

• Leadership requires releasing others, not gathering crowds
• “bigger buildings” can be th ...