On this episode of “What Are You Even Talking About?” I’m joined by Carlos Tanner from the Ayahuasca Foundation for a conversation about healing that is not cosmetic—it is deep, disruptive, and life-rearranging.

Carlos shares his personal journey through depression and substance abuse, and how working with ayahuasca in the Amazon became a turning point in his recovery. We talk about what people often misunderstand: that this path is not “take a medicine, get a miracle.” It is a process—spiritual, emotional, and physical—requiring preparation, intention, respect, and experienced guidance.

We discuss the role of the shaman, the importance of mindset and gratitude, and the way ceremonial elements—especia ...