Host Liz Purvis discusses what it means to run outside the two-party system with Jason Brown, an independent progressive candidate for Congress in Virginia’s 4th District, a Democratic-leaning seat spanning urban/suburban areas like Richmond and rural communities farther south.

Brown argues reform within a capitalist two-party framework can’t deliver systemic change and says the system prioritizes private profit over public good. His core platform is abolishing ICE and pursuing “affordability for all,” including housing, education, healthcare, universal pre-K, and public transit, while criticizing spending on war and proposed ICE detention expansion.

He describes voter frustration with “lesser of two evils” politics, emphasizes organizing working-class power, and shares campaign realities without party infrastructure, including ball ...