Episode notes
Welcome to year two of The Process Debt Podcast! In this episode, Chris and Toby explore one of the most complex—and timely—processes of all: how the U.S. government shuts down.
From “turning off the lights” in Washington to the ripple effects affecting families, communities, and the economy, the hosts analyze the shutdown through a new perspective they call P.U.M.P. — Process, Unintended Consequences, Money, and Power.
They examine how failures in process at a large scale mirror the same dysfunctions found inside businesses: lack of long-term vision, incentives that reward short-term thinking, and the painful cost of ignoring the machinery that keeps everything running smoothly.
It’s a sharp, balanced discussion that blends humor, curiosity, and critical thinking—complete with a few detours in ...