Phantom Island is not a travel show, but Ryan Nanni decided to go to this year's Rose Bowl, which happened to be Indiana's first trip to Pasadena since 1968, and that felt like a good thing to discuss with Steven Godfrey. This conversation covers the value of the Rose Bowl Game vs. the Rose Bowl as a home stadium, the joy of being physically present for sports, and whether whatever comes next will or should impact the moment Indiana fans felt on New Year's Day.

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