My guest today is academic and prolific author Michael Lind who has for many years been one of the most prominent advocates for change in American industrial and trade policy. Today we discuss:

• The evolution of his thinking over the years and why he early rejected the open-borders libertarian right.
• The current state of Trump's policies, whether they have been beneficial to working Americans, the threat that some of the tariffs will be overturned by the Supreme Court and what will and should come next
• What he means by "populism" and how it should be understood
• The problems with Howard and Abbott era views on trade policy and how a nation like Australia should rethink its trade and industry policies

And much more