What would it look like if men actually led from the heart? Not as a slogan. Not as a corporate initiative. As a daily, lived, embodied practice?

That question has guided Ray Arata for over 25 years, and in this rich and deeply personal conversation, Clayton and Ray go somewhere that most leadership conversations never reach.

Ray is the founder of the Better Man Movement and author of Showing Up, one of the most thoughtful voices working today on what healthy masculinity actually looks like in practice. His framework for heart based leadership rests on six principles: emotional literacy, vulnerability, authenticity, accountability, inclusivity, and love. And it is that last one, love, that sits at the center of this conversation. The one that makes executives shift in their chairs. The one Ray believes is the whole point.

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