In this deeply personal and wide ranging conversation, Clayton sits down with Kira Higgs, author of Winnowing: A Memoir of Spiritual Longing in Secular Life. What began as a practical business book became something far more honest and alive: a memoir of the small, cumulative interior shifts that unfold quietly through a life of sustained mindfulness and intentional self awareness.

Kira shares the origin story of Winnowing and why she abandoned the business book on day two to write something truer. The conversation explores why stories carry something that instructions simply cannot, and what that means for how we learn, grow, and stay present in our own lives. Kira opens up about how a 30 day meditation experiment became a transformative daily mindfulness practice, and how that inner work created a surprising halo effect inside her professi ...