Episode notes

While partnering with a friend in a new contracting business, Casper befriends an older Black man known as Old Man John. The personal connections they make and John's empathy begin to bring about deep change in Casper's beliefs about race. In the meantime, Casper struggles to reintegrate into society, and he finds himself in crisis.

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