This podcast is a time capsule. Comedic to think that at the point of this recording in October 2025 I had successfully avoided the use of intentional AI. Elisha was using it in a minor way in the professional environment, and now, in 2026 the AI conversation is the most prevalent part of daily life, because of an AI Data Center.

This is the conversation right before the pivot, and a cherished capture that we couldn't have planned better if we'd tried.