This conversation with Spenser Liszt is about money. But not in the “optimize your portfolio” sense.

It’s about identity. Shame. Performance. And what happens when your external success doesn’t match how you feel internally.

Spenser went from a 17-year career as a professional musician to becoming a Certified Financial Planner. Along the way, he had to separate money from music to heal his relationship with both.

We talk about growing up around bankruptcy and scarcity, the pressure to prove people wrong, the hidden financial instability behind creative careers, and why so many high performers avoid looking directly at their numbers.

We also explore values, mortality, artistic freedom, and why clarity around what matters makes decisions less complicated than we think.

This isn’t a conversation ab ...