Wade Kingsley talks with Calum Jaspan from The Age and SMH. In this episode you'll hear about ABC Radio National's GfK Ratings decline and what some of the challenges are in Kim Williams' favourite (we think) brand. Could Radio National just be a great podcast network? Do ratings even matter considering they don't commercialise the numbers?

Also Wade has some feedback for another show that had a crack at him... and it's not who you might think.