Mathew 16:24 says, "If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me." Kathryn looks at peole who are mistating this and misunderstanding this process. Kathryn deleved into this subject in two complementary talks:

https://youtu.be/wjfWFpomlS0?si=Nucm3FXGK0GYuliR

and https://youtu.be/4qfG9-ampso?si=AhHHeLofWtiW0ZEm

This show has helped me to become more like Jesus and I am sure it can do the same for you. The podcast never has any AI and rarely has music or commentary.. I give a short introduction but  ...