Episode 1: Brian Wilson (Podcast Producer for MeatDad and many more!)

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In this first episode, the hosts (Deren Abram and Tom Fry) kick around names for their new podcast—half-jokingly calling it "Tom and D.” but then going with it.

Between laughs, Tom opens up about their friendship since college and trying to quit vaping.

They bring in Brian Wilson, a podcast producer for influencer-giants like MeatDad and drops some wisdom on podcasting and content creation. He shares the wild success story of MeatDad—a butcher-turned-influencer with 5 million plus followers—and stresses the power of consistency and the importance of getting started. The episode wraps with some good-natured ribbing and loose plans for more to come.