I was a guest on the Heber Valley Life Podcast with Rachel Kaler, and this is Part 2 of our conversation about the hard questions shaping Heber Valley right now—growth, housing, and what it actually takes to build a place with long-term beauty and livability.

We dig into the “missing middle,” why zoning often separates communities like “pizza ingredients,” and how historic towns mixed housing types naturally—because the street (not the lot) was the real composition. We talk about why density gets placed on the edges, why form matters as much as use, and why “affordable” doesn’t have to mean “ugly.”