The former director of the Centers for Disease Control has made a direct accusation that COVID-19 was started in a lab at UNC-Chapel Hill by one of its researchers and not a lab in Wuhan, China. Dr. Robert Redfield made the claim on the Third Opinion Podcast late last week. He said the virus was ‘intentionally engineered as a part of a biodefense program’ and that the United States’ role in it was substantial. He went on to say that the ‘scientific mastermind behind the research’ is Dr. Ralph Baric at UNC-Chapel Hill, who he says was very involved in this research. Theresa Opeka, a reporter for the Carolina Journal, joined Jeff Hamlin to discuss the story.