In this episode Ilona Nurmela, PhD and Anne Veerpalu, PhD talk to the Vice Rector of Estonian Aviation Academy Ellen Elvira Tulvik about her past, present and future. Yes, the topic of her wanting to be an astronauts comes up and there will be a surprise for you there. In essence, the episode reveals that the women speaking in this episode did once to all others what others are doing to them now. Listen and find out what binds them together and what tips they themselves use to design their own future.