"Art of War" and dogs.

What in the world do Sun Tzu's book "The Art of War" and dogs have to do with the creative industries?

Find out in this interview with writer/director Jesse Terrell and producer/editor Eric Hirsch, who both started their own companies with some very unique names.

We have a great conversation with our guests and cover everything from skateboards to space stations and creepy lights to sports, and how sometimes you just need to do everything.

And of course no episode would be complete without some L.A. stuff. Listen to Eric and Jesse's thoughts on a place that gravity pulls so many creatives to.