Why can doing absolutely nothing feel so uncomfortable?

In this episode, we're talking about our complicated relationships with rest — why we know we need it, why we still feel guilty when we take it, and why sometimes being "productive" feels easier than simply slowing down.

We explore how our identities as women of color, therapists, and moms can shape the way we think about rest and productivity, and Maya challenges Nelly and Morgan to look a little deeper at why they tend to avoid resting in the first place. Because sometimes the question isn't just, "Why can't I rest?" It's also, "What comes up for me when I finally stop?"

Our conversation also takes us into the heaviness of consuming difficult stories in the news, including the Lindsey Clancy case, and the permission we may need to step away — particularly for therapists a ...