Join Kevin Pheley as he sits down with former UFC fighter Shannon Gugerty in this episode of "Thinking Bigger". Listen as Shannon shares his life-changing journey with Jiu Jitsu and the challenges he faced while opening his own gym during the COVID pandemic. Discover how visualization played a crucial role in Shannon's success both in the Octagon and in life. If you're interested in martial arts, personal growth, and overcoming adversity, this is the podcast for you.