The Chameleons Podcast

by Imac Zambrana

The world as we know is changing fast. We are experiencing a technological shift with an enormous potential for advances in knowledge and solutions for individuals and society. This requires extraordinary human agency and ability to adjust to the changes and navigate this unknown territory together. This is why this podcast is called The Chameleons – as a tribute to our incredibly malleable nature.

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Podcast episodes

  • Season 1

  • #17 The Human Mirror: AI’s Role in the Fourth Industrial Revolution – with Alok Aggarwal

    #17 The Human Mirror: AI’s Role in the Fourth Industrial Revolution – with Alok Aggarwal

    In this episode, we meet Alok Aggarwal, Founder, CEO, and Chief Data Scientist of Scry AI, a software company with technologists and domain experts that develops enterprise applications using proprietary AI algorithms for different domains. In this interview, we discuss his recently published book “The Fourth Industrial Revolution & 100 Years of AI (1950-2050): The Truth About AI and Why It’s Only a Tool.” Alok has been working as an innovator and developer in the field of AI for four decades, and we discuss some of the major topics in his career and book, including similarities and differences across the four scientific revolutions, the capabilities, limitations, and history of AI, and where we are going next. He proposes that AI is a mirror in which humans can see their reflections and that as we create more advanced AI, we will need to understand ourselves better. I hope this conversation can help to clarify some misconceptions about AI and inspire the listeners to reflect on what AI can teach us about humanity! Thank you to our sponsor Nomono for the amazing podcast kit: https://nomono.co/ Recommended sources: 1. Aggarwal, Alok (2023). The Fourth Industrial Revolution & 100 Years of AI (1950-2050): The Truth About AI & Why It's Only a Tool: https://www.amazon.com/Fourth-Industrial-Revolution-Years-1950-2050/dp/B0CPQLQ7LL 2. Scry AI website: https://scryai.com/about-us/ 3. Turing, Alan (1950). Computing Machinery and Intelligence, Mind, Vol LIX (236), 433–460. https://academic.oup.com/mind/article/LIX/236/433/986238?url=http://szyxflb.com&login=false Timestamps: 01:43:32 [00:00:00] Intro of the episode. [00:01:22] Sponsor: Nomono Podcasting Kit. [00:02:16] Alok’s background in the fields of AI, Engineering and Computer Science, from The IBM research division and Thomas J. Watson Research Center, to setting up an IBM India research lab, and his entrepreneurial journey with EvaluServe and Scry AI. [00:07:00] Writing his recent book and the help from a book coach. [00:09:10] The four industrial revolutions, and the inspiration from 2001 A Space Odyssey, the future decrease in the human population, and Alan Turing’s 1950 paper. [00:17:37] Comparing technological changes with societal changes in perspectives of learning. [00:20:48] Understanding human and artificial learning. [00:23:00] Using AI as a tool for good rather than weaponizing it, and the implications of chat bots. [00:29:30] The eight characteristics of an industrial revolution. [00:47:39] The huge challenge with a globalized geopolitical discussion of regulations and data ownership. [00:58:44] AI as a mirror for humanity and pitfalls related to gene editing and inequality of access. [01:04:15] Opportunities for smaller players to make societal changes faster in education and beyond. [01:08:01] Dealing with known and unknown biases. [01:14:38] Diffiusion models [01:21:37] AI and creativity and understanding the limitations of AI. [01:28:40] Lost jobs and new jobs, and the future of flying cars. [01:34:15] The reasons for his work and the meaning of life. [01:42:36] Outro and concluding remarks.

  • #16 Creating delicious & regenerative futures – with Raphaelle Moatti

    #16 Creating delicious & regenerative futures – with Raphaelle Moatti

    In this episode, we meet Raphaelle Moatti, founder of Delicious Future, a public benefit corporation with a mission to accelerate the shift to regenerative eating. We discuss her work and how she combines human perspectives, systemic thinking, and rigorous research with technology to impact individual health and environmental sustainability. An added subtext narrative is about her journey of diverse skill acquisition and how courage and creativity can open new quests aligned with one’s identity and deeper values. This conversation made me completely rethink my relationship with food and consider the deeper meaning of eating, as well as how to synthesize the treads in my own aspiring entrepreneurship. I hope you will enjoy this conversation as much as I did! Thank you to our sponsor Nomono for the amazing podcast kit: https://nomono.co/ Recommended sources: 1. Article about the Delicious Future: https://www.alphyco.com/post/how-to-craft-a-winning-message-the-delicious-future-approach 2. Internet Archive – Way Back Machine: https://web.archive.org 3. The book Braiding Sweetgrass: Indigenous Wisdom, Scientific Knowledge and the Teachings of Plants: https://www.amazon.com/Braiding-Sweetgrass-Indigenous-Scientific-Knowledge/dp/1571313567 Timestamps: 01:05:19 [00:00:00] Intro of the episode. [00:01:16] Sponsor: Nomono Podcasting Kit. [00:02:07] Delicious Future. [00:05:14] How her journey started with studies in political science and research. [00:10:50] Moving to San Francisco and entering the advertisement and tech industry. [00:18:17] The naïve optimism and idealism in tech and human centered design principles. [00:23:42] Working with health technology and personalized coaching. [00:28:46] Obsession with good food. [00:33:04] The interconnectedness between personal and professional transformation and tapping into multidisciplinary creativity. [00:37:41] The transformative potential of food. [00:43:01] Identifying a unique potential for contribution. [00:52:40] The mission of Delicious Future and its three pillars. [01:00:59] The meaning of life. [01:03:52] Outro and concluding remarks.

  • #15 Mighty Tech PR: Where Creativity Meets Cogency – with Candace Locklear

    #15 Mighty Tech PR: Where Creativity Meets Cogency – with Candace Locklear

    In this episode, we meet Candace Locklear, co-founder of Mighty PR, a boutique PR agency, and We Are From Dust, a non-profit dedicated to putting participatory art in public spaces. She has worked with various cutting-edge companies in tech and beyond and has been deeply involved in the Burning Man community since the late 90’s. Candace embraces creativity and cogency like no other. In this conversation, we dive into her early embracement of her inner provocateur and clown persona, her work in tech PR and communication, Burning Man, her love for art and inclusive community building, the importance of relationships, and how the two worlds of tech and art fuel each other. I hope you will enjoy this interview as much as I did! Thank you to our sponsor Nomono for the amazing podcast kit: https://nomono.co/ Recommended sources: 1. Mighty PR website: https://mightypr.com 2. Black Burner Project: https://www.blackburnerproject.com Timestamps: 01:01:55 [00:00:00] Intro of the episode. [00:01:30] Sponsor: Nomono Podcasting Kit. [00:02:32] How her journey started: From North Carolina to San Francisco. [00:07:46] Burning Man and the Cacophony Society [00:09:54] The Tech PR journey. [00:11:23] Seeing art becoming derivative with AI. [00:15:40] Finding intersections between Tech and artistry. [00:19:56] Women in Tech and Communication. [00:22:22] Working with clients in Mighty PR, earned, owned, and paid media. [00:28:26] Talent scouting and recruitment. [00:31:05] Supporting others and being supported. [00:35:57] Black Burner Project. [00:38:58] Motherhood, processing of loss, and embracing new freedoms. [00:49:21] The need for art and artists. [01:00:13] Outro and concluding remarks.

  • #14 Phoenix Rising: Harnessing Collective Intelligence and AI for a New Dawn – with Stephen Messer

    #14 Phoenix Rising: Harnessing Collective Intelligence and AI for a New Dawn – with Stephen Messer

    In this episode, we meet Stephen Messer, an active serial entrepreneur, founder of Collective[i], and co-founder of LinkShare. Stephen has been an investor in the digital economy since the commercialization of the Internet. He is also an angel investor, a winner of several prestigious entrepreneurial awards, an affiliated research fellow at Columbia Business School, and a prominent speaker and keynote on technology and Artificial Intelligence. He has been featured in the NYTimes, WSJ, Fortune, Forbes, and other top publications. Stephen has an exceptional talent for identifying and activating new and disruptive business avenues with technology and AI. In this conversation, we dive into his mission to help people and companies prosper by building a foundation model for financial decision-making. We also discuss his thoughts on unleashing our full potential through AI, disruptive innovation, the road to Artificial General Intelligence, seed investments, and his close collaboration with his sister and family. Underlying it all is a profound vision for expanding human and societal potentials. I hope this interview can catch a glimpse of how a brilliant mind grasps opportunities from the deconstruction and reconstruction of complexities.   Thank you to our sponsor Nomono for the amazing podcast kit: https://nomono.co/   Recommended sources: 1.     Collective[i] website: www.collectivei.com 2.     Forecast, a 90-minute weekly online event that highlights innovation and leadership that will impact society:  www.ciforecast.com. Timestamps: 01:16:51 [00:00:00] Intro. [00:01:44] Sponsor: Nomono Podcasting Kit. [00:02:51] How his journey started. [00:05:25] Building LinkShare and disrupting the advertisement industry. [00:19:09] Selling LinkShare and the process of company acquisitions. [00:26:25] Building Collective Intelligence and disrupting economic decision-making with foundational AI models. [00:34:52] AI as a cognitive revolution disrupting workflows and workflow software. [00:41:52] The road to Artificial General Intelligence and Super Intelligence. [00:44:00] Fear-driven AI debates, unintended and intended aims, and effects of regulation. [00:51:55] Fear of unlocking our full potential and the opportunity to unleash it with AI. [00:57:05] A responsibility to lift people by embracing AI in companies and education. [01:03:49] Being a seed investor and opportunities to learn about new areas and use cases. [01:07:39] Space, quantum, AI, and quantum technology. [01:09:48] Collaborating with his sister and family. [01:14:55] Outro and commentary.

  • #13 Tech & Normer – med Kjetil Kjernsmo

    #13 Tech & Normer – med Kjetil Kjernsmo

    I denne episoden møter vi Kjetil Kjernsmo, en teknolog med Ph.d. i informatikk, som har arbeidet med teknologiutvikling og informasjonsutvikling i mange år. Samtalen har fokus på tech og normer og hvordan normer i samfunnet kan dannes og inkorporeres i teknologisk utvikling og samfunnsstrukturer. Vi snakker også om kompleksiteten i det moderne samfunnet, alle de forhold som regulering av kunstig teknologi må navigere i et slik landskap, og hvordan dyp kunnskap innebærer et ansvar for aktiv deltakelse. In this episode, we meet Kjetil Kjernsmo, a technologist with a Ph.D. in informatics who has worked with technology and information development for many years. The conversation focuses on tech and norms and how norms in society can be formed and incorporated into tech development and societal structures. We also talk about the complexity of modern society, all the conditions that regulation of tech must navigate in such a landscape, and how deep knowledge entails a responsibility to participate.   Takk til vår sponsor: Nomono: https://nomono.co/   Anbefalte kilder: 1.     Kjetil Kjernsmo sine nettsider: http://kjetil.kjernsmo.net/ og https://normative-technology.org/ 2.     Elinor Ostrom (2009). Beyond markets and states: polycentric governance of complex economic systems: https://dlc.dlib.indiana.edu/dlc/bitstream/handle/10535/7707/ostrom.pdf 3.     Petter Törnberg (2023). How platforms govern: Social regulation in digital capitalism: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/20539517231153808 Timestamps: 01:44:34 [00:00:00] Intro. [00:01:13] Sponsor: Nomono Podcasting Kit. [00:02:18] Kjetils bakgrunn. [00:05:06] Samfunnets totale kompleksitet. [00:09:46] Teknologi, normer og definisjonsmakt i samfunnet. [00:13:20] Sentralisering, desentralisering og resentralisering. [00:14:52] Individets rettigheter, big tech og staten. [00:20:00] Åpenhet av data på et kontinuum, data hvelv og data promiskuitet. [00:31:10] Senter for normativ teknologiutvikling. [00:36:44] Tverrfaglig samarbeid. [00:42:13] Det normative bidraget og motivasjonen for teknologiutvikling. [00:46:10] Rekruttering av talenter med høy grad av etisk bevissthet. [00:50:08] Digital commons og normativ teknologistyring. [00:55:20] KI-milliarden til forskning og behovet for støtte til infrastruktur. [00:59:25] AI, etikk og trolley problemet. [01:04:25] Handlingsplan og bygging av et nytt sosiale medier. [01:13:12] Kunnskap og ansvar for aktiv deltakelse. [01:24:00] Politisk markedsføring og frihet til å velge og dele. [01:29:33] Normer og teknologilandskapet. [01:36:30] Motivasjon og inspirasjon. [01:43:08] Outro og kommentar.