The Chameleons Podcast

by Imac Zambrana

The world as we know is changing fast. We are experiencing a technological shift with an enormous potential for advances in knowledge and solutions for individuals and society. This requires extraordinary human agency and ability to adjust to the changes and navigate this unknown territory together. This is why this podcast is called The Chameleons – as a tribute to our incredibly malleable nature.

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Podcast episodes

  • Season 1

  • #14 Phoenix Rising: Harnessing Collective Intelligence and AI for a New Dawn – with Stephen Messer

    #14 Phoenix Rising: Harnessing Collective Intelligence and AI for a New Dawn – with Stephen Messer

    In this episode, we meet Stephen Messer, an active serial entrepreneur, founder of Collective[i], and co-founder of LinkShare. Stephen has been an investor in the digital economy since the commercialization of the Internet. He is also an angel investor, a winner of several prestigious entrepreneurial awards, an affiliated research fellow at Columbia Business School, and a prominent speaker and keynote on technology and Artificial Intelligence. He has been featured in the NYTimes, WSJ, Fortune, Forbes, and other top publications. Stephen has an exceptional talent for identifying and activating new and disruptive business avenues with technology and AI. In this conversation, we dive into his mission to help people and companies prosper by building a foundation model for financial decision-making. We also discuss his thoughts on unleashing our full potential through AI, disruptive innovation, the road to Artificial General Intelligence, seed investments, and his close collaboration with his sister and family. Underlying it all is a profound vision for expanding human and societal potentials. I hope this interview can catch a glimpse of how a brilliant mind grasps opportunities from the deconstruction and reconstruction of complexities.   Thank you to our sponsor Nomono for the amazing podcast kit: https://nomono.co/   Recommended sources: 1.     Collective[i] website: www.collectivei.com 2.     Forecast, a 90-minute weekly online event that highlights innovation and leadership that will impact society:  www.ciforecast.com. Timestamps: 01:16:51 [00:00:00] Intro. [00:01:44] Sponsor: Nomono Podcasting Kit. [00:02:51] How his journey started. [00:05:25] Building LinkShare and disrupting the advertisement industry. [00:19:09] Selling LinkShare and the process of company acquisitions. [00:26:25] Building Collective Intelligence and disrupting economic decision-making with foundational AI models. [00:34:52] AI as a cognitive revolution disrupting workflows and workflow software. [00:41:52] The road to Artificial General Intelligence and Super Intelligence. [00:44:00] Fear-driven AI debates, unintended and intended aims, and effects of regulation. [00:51:55] Fear of unlocking our full potential and the opportunity to unleash it with AI. [00:57:05] A responsibility to lift people by embracing AI in companies and education. [01:03:49] Being a seed investor and opportunities to learn about new areas and use cases. [01:07:39] Space, quantum, AI, and quantum technology. [01:09:48] Collaborating with his sister and family. [01:14:55] Outro and commentary.

  • #13 Tech & Normer – med Kjetil Kjernsmo

    #13 Tech & Normer – med Kjetil Kjernsmo

    I denne episoden møter vi Kjetil Kjernsmo, en teknolog med Ph.d. i informatikk, som har arbeidet med teknologiutvikling og informasjonsutvikling i mange år. Samtalen har fokus på tech og normer og hvordan normer i samfunnet kan dannes og inkorporeres i teknologisk utvikling og samfunnsstrukturer. Vi snakker også om kompleksiteten i det moderne samfunnet, alle de forhold som regulering av kunstig teknologi må navigere i et slik landskap, og hvordan dyp kunnskap innebærer et ansvar for aktiv deltakelse. In this episode, we meet Kjetil Kjernsmo, a technologist with a Ph.D. in informatics who has worked with technology and information development for many years. The conversation focuses on tech and norms and how norms in society can be formed and incorporated into tech development and societal structures. We also talk about the complexity of modern society, all the conditions that regulation of tech must navigate in such a landscape, and how deep knowledge entails a responsibility to participate.   Takk til vår sponsor: Nomono: https://nomono.co/   Anbefalte kilder: 1.     Kjetil Kjernsmo sine nettsider: http://kjetil.kjernsmo.net/ og https://normative-technology.org/ 2.     Elinor Ostrom (2009). Beyond markets and states: polycentric governance of complex economic systems: https://dlc.dlib.indiana.edu/dlc/bitstream/handle/10535/7707/ostrom.pdf 3.     Petter Törnberg (2023). How platforms govern: Social regulation in digital capitalism: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/20539517231153808 Timestamps: 01:44:34 [00:00:00] Intro. [00:01:13] Sponsor: Nomono Podcasting Kit. [00:02:18] Kjetils bakgrunn. [00:05:06] Samfunnets totale kompleksitet. [00:09:46] Teknologi, normer og definisjonsmakt i samfunnet. [00:13:20] Sentralisering, desentralisering og resentralisering. [00:14:52] Individets rettigheter, big tech og staten. [00:20:00] Åpenhet av data på et kontinuum, data hvelv og data promiskuitet. [00:31:10] Senter for normativ teknologiutvikling. [00:36:44] Tverrfaglig samarbeid. [00:42:13] Det normative bidraget og motivasjonen for teknologiutvikling. [00:46:10] Rekruttering av talenter med høy grad av etisk bevissthet. [00:50:08] Digital commons og normativ teknologistyring. [00:55:20] KI-milliarden til forskning og behovet for støtte til infrastruktur. [00:59:25] AI, etikk og trolley problemet. [01:04:25] Handlingsplan og bygging av et nytt sosiale medier. [01:13:12] Kunnskap og ansvar for aktiv deltakelse. [01:24:00] Politisk markedsføring og frihet til å velge og dele. [01:29:33] Normer og teknologilandskapet. [01:36:30] Motivasjon og inspirasjon. [01:43:08] Outro og kommentar.  

  • #12 AI to expand our collective potential – with Arjun Chandra

    #12 AI to expand our collective potential – with Arjun Chandra

    In this episode, we meet Arjun Chandra, a computer scientist, entrepreneur, CEO, and founder of the AI-tech company Brua.io, who has extensive experience building machine learning and artificial intelligence systems.    Arjun has a human-centered vision for AI, in which the technologies we make can contribute to closing the gaps between us rather than competing with us. In this episode we discuss the depth of his journey of combining his interest in math, programming, robotics, and natural computation; his interest in the employment of algorithms for the optimization of natural phenomena in the real world and generalization in general; the creation of neural network systems and the use of principles of social and human behavior; educational and personalized technology; his work on the frontier of AI with Large language models and reinforcement Learning from human feedback; the questioning about his motivations in the field of AI, and the deployment of technology built on mindsets and adoption strategies that reflect social responsibility, which lays the ground for his new company, Brua.   I hope Arjun’s intentions can inspire other developers and stakeholders in the AI field to think more explicitly about how we can, in his words, “sculpt more socially responsible roles for AI” and develop technologies deeply aligned with human-centered and democratic, prosperous visions for the future.   Thank you to our sponsor: Nomono: https://nomono.co/ Also check out the Brua website: https://www.brua.io   Timestamps: 01:15:02 [00:00:00] Intro. [00:01:45] Sponsor: Nomono Podcasting Kit. [00:02:39] Introduction to math, programming, robotics, and natural computation. [00:05:26] Natural Computation and neural networks. [00:13:45] Generalization part of ML and the study of socio-economic games. [00:25:03] Working with educational and personalized AI assistant technology. [00:27:20] Working at the frontier of AI with LLMs and RLHF. [00:31:50] The relationship between hardware and software development. [00:36:15] Reexamination of inner motivation to develop and deploy AI technology built on mindsets and adoption strategies that reflect social responsibility.   [00:40:05] Establishing a story of what AI is for. [00:46:40] What is Brua? [00:49:41] The special long-term case of education. [00:55:13] The core ethos of bringing people together for human thriving. [01:06:27] Alignment of partnerships and funding with the mission.   [01:14:12] Outro and concluding remarks.  

  • #11 A Celebration Society – with Jonathan Kolber

    #11 A Celebration Society – with Jonathan Kolber

    In this episode, we meet Jonathan Kolber, an author and investor, with a fascinating idea for raising the experimental and disruptive approach of Silicon Valley to the level of society itself, albeit tempered by consensual values. Jonathan shares his vision of science-driven model society, based on ever-evolving systems, which he and his allies call A Celebration Society. We discuss the depth of the challenges and opportunities humanity faces, including sustainability, automation, and job displacement, rising fascism, the need for first principles thinking, a pay-it-forward approach to progress, and his detailed proposal of a comprehensive solution that celebrates human greatness to inspire more greatness, encouraging and building upon humanity’s finest qualities. I hope Jonathan's intellectual courage and curiosity can inspire us to think about the abundance we can achieve with emergent technologies and to think boldly about creating societies that celebrate our full potential. Thank you to our sponsor Nomono: https://nomono.co/ Timestamps: 01:54:08 [00:00:00] Intro of the episode. [00:02:57] Sponsor: Nomono Podcasting Kit. [00:03:50] Growing up with a vision. [00:05:48] Interest in nature, science, and finance. [00:09:50] The purpose of A Celebration Society. [00:11:18] Accelerating automation, its consequences, and the role of AI. [00:19:11] The future of job losses and the replacement of functions by AI. [00:22:10] A model society based on systems of sustainable technological abundance [00:24:41] Protecting our planet with technological abundance and true recycling [00:27:09] The essence of A Celebration Society and the scientific method. [00:28:28] Three pillars: Abundant clean energy, abundant matter, and organizing intelligence. [00:32:32] The potential of recent advancements in scalable sources of clean power. [00:34:29] Universal Basic Income approaches, capitalism, and future human endeavors. [00:40:28] Asteroid mining. [00:41:57] Future education, cultivation of passions, gamification and iTutors. [00:49:54] Current illness focused healthcare models. [00:49:54] Healthcare in A Celebration Society: emphasis on prevention and early detection. [00:54:20] The four branches of government in A Celebration Society. [01:01:48] The admission process in A Celebration Society: The code of ethics, The Rite of Passage, The Charter, and financial means. [01:09:25] Meeting basic needs and curtailing the appeal of charismatic manipulators. [01:12:20] Adjustable systemic societal design, including nudges to reduce costs and incentivize desired behaviors. [01:19:15] Animal welfare and Kobe beef prime rib cuts from a vat for the price of a McDonald's hamburger. [01:21:00] Complimentary currencies and global economic stability. [01:23:05] The use of uninhabited land and reduction of taxes. [01:26:30] Celebration societies in space and the hard science fiction series, Shadowking. [01:29:23] The necessity of legal sovereignty. [01:34:56] Potential challenges to success and serious criticisms. [01:44:34] Definition of happiness. [01:47:37] Early experiences shaping a deeper understanding of scarcity. [01:49:08] The importance of collaboration and supporters. [01:52:34] Outro and concluding remarks. Recommended reading: Kolber, J. (2015). A Celebration Society. https://www.amazon.com/Celebration-Society-Jonathan-Kolber-ebook/dp/B018RQTUNQ A Celebration Society Website: acelebrationsociety.com

  • #10 Insights from a technologist: Purpose, Values & Decision-making – with Eric Bowman

    #10 Insights from a technologist: Purpose, Values & Decision-making – with Eric Bowman

    In this episode, we meet Eric Bowman, a technology leader with a rich background in software engineering and architecture. Eric is a seasoned technologist with a fascinating background spanning from his early days as a mountaineer in Montana to his groundbreaking work on The Sims game and now exploring the potential of generative AI. Join us as we dive into Eric’s journey, his insights on the importance of purpose and values, and how he utilizes AI to enhance his decision-making and productivity. In this conversation, we’ll also discuss the concept of the adjacent possible, the importance of listening and learning, and the potential of AI to revolutionize education and help us realize our full potential. Don’t miss this engaging conversation with this exceptional technology leader and creative thinker who thrives on challenging the status quo! Thank you to our sponsor: Nomono: https://nomono.co/ Timestamps: 01:18:42 [00:00:00] Intro of the episode [00:01:29] Sponsor: Nomono Podcasting Kit [00:02:30] Mountaineering, early academic and work experiences [00:11:04] Interview with Maxis, The Sims & Bay Area in the 90’s [00:15:04] Openness to opportunities & the adjacent possible [00:21:34] Intellectual relationships and the reinvention of education with AI [00:29:54] ChatGPT, free will and decision-making [00:39:21] Human potential, values, work ethics, credentials, listening and learning [00:47:47] Confirmation biases and strategies to deal with it using AI [00:57:15] Attention span and learning [00:58:39] Maximizing your return on luck, the power of actions for cause and effect [01:06:52] Purpose and maintaining a constancy of purpose over time [01:13:21] Changes in inspirations over time [01:17:02] Outro and summary Recommended reading: 1. Kauffman, S, (1996). At Home in the Universe.https://www.amazon.com/At-Home-Universe-Self-Organization-Complexity/dp/0195111303 2. Johnson, S. (2010). Where Good Ideas come from: The Natural History of Innovation.https://www.amazon.co.uk/Where-Good-Ideas-Come-Innovation/dp/1594487715/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1694872158&sr=1-1 3. Zuboff, S. (2019). The Age of Surveillance Capitalism.https://www.amazon.com/Age-Surveillance-Capitalism-Future-Frontier/dp/1610395697 4. Collins, J. (2001). Good to great.https://www.amazon.com/Good-Great-Some-Companies-Others/dp/0066620996 5. Hickel, J. (1997). Less is More. How Degrowth will Save the World. https://www.amazon.com/Less-More-Degrowth-Will-World-ebook/dp/B085L9XSM1 6. Skinner, B.F. (1968). Walden Two. https://www.amazon.com/Walden-Two-B-F-Skinner/dp/B005NXKUZ4