what if italy changed the way we ...
what if italy changed the way we see life?

The Whole Mess by Abigail Theobald and Katie Underhill

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italy made us question more than just travel.

in this episode, we talk about slowness, presence, ambition, community, beauty, and what happens when another culture makes you reconsider the way you’ve been living your life...

we recorded this conversation while hiking through the mountains, so consider the traffic noise, heavy breathing, and occasional chaos part of the experience.

march 9, 2026

Keywords
wholenessitalytravelcultureslownesspace
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