When families face addiction and mental health crises, knowing where to turn can be life-changing. In this episode of The Hanley Effect, Dr. John Dyben and Dr. Rachel Docekal sit down with Michael Appel and Michael Walsh, two renowned interventionists and leaders from Crisis Case Management (CCM)—for a powerful conversation about the importance of long-term support, family systems, and the real heart of recovery.

With decades of experience between them, Mike and Mike bring a compassionate, no-nonsense approach to guiding families through their darkest moments. They share their personal journeys into recovery, the evolution of intervention from a one-time event to an ongoing relationship, and how true healing involves the entire family—not just the identified patient.

You’ll hear stories of redemption, resilience, and second c ...