Episode notes
We're pausing mid-series to answer the question you keep asking us: do we agree with Elaina? Short answer — no, but that was never the point. Jordan and Anida talk through why the show isn't built to debate the people we interview, what empathy looks like when someone's experience is nothing like your own, and why hypocrisy — not theology — is usually what actually pushes people out the door. It turns into a bigger conversation about accountability, how we're raised, and the culture-wide division showing up everywhere from church splits to the headlines. Not a rebuttal to Elaina's story — a clarification of ours, before we head into part four.
Content note: this episode touches on spiritual abuse, domestic abuse, and references current events involving violence and sexual coercion.