Here's the lie most of the podcasting internet is selling you: you need a bigger audience. More downloads, more subscribers, more reach. And so you pour time and money into SEO, paid ads, and social sharing trying to drag new listeners in. But what if more listeners isn't actually the problem? In this episode, Jon makes a counterintuitive but data-backed case that for most podcasters, the real issue isn't attracting new listeners. It's keeping the ones they already have.

The math is simple but eye-opening. If a thousand people click on your episode and five make it to the end, getting a hundred thousand new people to click on your episode gives you five hundred finishers. Or, you could fix whatever is causing 995 people to leave. One of those approaches is dramatically more achievable than the other. The metric Jon wants you to focus on is  ...