Episode notes
In this contemplative episode recorded at The Treehouse, Tia Jolie and Sarah plunge deep into the personal, physiological, and metaphysical dimensions of sleep. What begins as a candid moment—Sarah’s rough night—unfolds into an expansive exploration that begins with Tia Jolie recounting the rigors of military training in sleep deprivation as part of SERE School. She sheds light on how sleep loss is used to break individuals down mentally and emotionally in survival scenarios. Her experiences—ranging from standing sleep-deprived in solitary confinement with a bag over her head, to helping others escape simulated POW camps—reveal the powerful role sleep plays in human resilience, trust, and transformation.
From her time as a long-haul flight attendant, Sarah reveals the almost neurotic preoccupation that sleep playe ...