Dr David Thomas is a Black American who was a police officer for more than 20 years, was the author of an award winning book: The State of American policing, is also a professor of forensic studies at Florida Gulf University and even runs his own Police Counseling services. In this episode we talk about his theory of the cyclical nature of police brutality, his time as a police officer in different agencies, the Black Lives Matter movement, the effectiveness of community policing and the relationship between policing in America to broader Black American issues and much much more.