Jake and Maisy sit down with Alaina Calliope Lucille, a clown and drag performer who takes us through her 15-year journey with clowning, from locking herself in the bathroom to learn makeup as a kid; through clown college in her early twenties; marriage, family, and transition; and up to her current career as a drag clown. We chat about the intersection between clowning and drag, how gender affects clowning, and how Calliope has found her home in the clown community.

If you fell in love with Calliope like we did, here's where you can find and support her:

@alainacalliopelucille

Music: Friends (Instrumental) - Whodini

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