In this episode with Tom Schur & Charlie White, we discuss Tom's Mag-Min model, the process of systemic supervision, Bowen Theory, and participation as a path to discussing and working on deep change, or second-order change.

Tom Schur is a Family Systems Therapist and a Social Worker. He still maintain my private practice, that began over 40 years ago, but now on a limited basis. He has taught in the School of Social Work and in the Marriage and Family Therapy Program as a faculty member at Syracuse University for over 30 years, but have recently retired.

Charlie White has been on a “process journey” towards an authentic & grounded practice of “University-Based Student Support & Post-Graduate Program Development – Family Systems Theory-Informed Clinical Supervision, Psychotherapy, & Coaching” is deca ...