Fireside | 剪燭西窗

Fireside | 剪燭西窗

by Echo 知音
Season 1

31 李興龍:真機智能聯合創始人、香港專業人士(北京)協會科技委員會主委、在北京創業的香港青年

Mr. Met Li: Co-Founder of Zhen Robotics, Hong Kong Youth Entrepreneurial Ambassador in China, Chairman of Hong Kong Professionals (Beijing) Association for Science and Technology @ Fireside Interviewer: Wendy Chong, Icy Ku 採訪者:蔣沛芸、古冰心 Wendy: 你作為一個土生土長的香港人,可以在北京取得如此的成就,我們都為你感到高興!當年你做這個決定的時候,是很猶豫還是很肯定的?當時是因為機緣巧合,還是準備了很久才會做出這一個決定? Met: 我是個土生土長的香港人。那時其實收到不同公司的工作機會,但我就面試了一間新建公司,當時我在想若打算做新建的話最好當然在深圳了。所以當老闆問我希望在香港或者深圳工作,我就選擇了後者。我認爲這是一個合適的決定,因為不論我們選擇到哪裏工作或創業也是個個人選擇。創業的話,我們也可以去大陸觀摩一下,比如北京也有不少高校(北京大學,清華大學等)。 Wendy: 聽到你這麽一説,好像也很有經驗呢!由英國留學,再到深圳工作,後來又去了北京發展,你認爲這一個歷程有否收穫啊? Met: 我是一步步去瞭解大陸創業的一些故事,所以最後決定去北京創業的,這是我一直有計劃過的。我認爲創業在北京和大陸都是一個趨勢。 Wendy: 看來你是不斷吸收經驗再做出這個決定的。有時候我們應該以‘Just Do It’ (想做就做)的態度去採取行動,這應該就是成事的關鍵了!我相信你在中大畢業後去英國修讀computer science(計算機科學),然後回來香港工作以至後來北上,過程中應該接觸到很多年輕人吧;你對於一些面臨選科或者正在報讀大學的年輕人會有些什麼建議呢?另外你認爲自己在英國留學的經歷對之後在內地創業有沒有幫助? Met: 是的,我在中大是修讀computer science(計算機科學),而在英國是在商學院修讀有關innovation (創新改革)的。我認爲在哪裏讀書並不重要,最重要是知道自己的夢想,理想是什麽。以我作例,我的理想是想做一家軟硬結合的公司,而我的目標也是相關的,就是想做機械人。我認爲最重要是年輕人要想清楚自己未來想做些什麽。對於中學生而言,這是有點遙遠的事,但或者能從興趣入手吧。雖然興趣並不一定界定你未來職業,但至少你會更享受學習自己有興趣的事,當你累積不同經驗和知識後,就可以大概瞭解多點未來事業的方向。 Wendy: 明白!所以年輕人應該多接受不同的機會。我的同學們也有些準備到外國讀書,我認爲你鼓勵年輕人多接觸外面的世界是很有道理的!我也聽説過你在疫情期間,在你建立的機械人上加上消毒液,雖然未必能賺錢但卻是很暖心的行爲,而且也大獲好評,你能解釋一下你的原意又或舉其他相關例子嗎? Met: 這是跟我們經常談及的科技創新有關係的。我們將消毒液加到機械人上,對於不少機構例如商場來說是個很實用的功能,所以重點是如何滿足用家的需求。我們的機械人有3個功能:配送,巡邏及清潔,也是在本來的SKU上做了微調。另外,我們有個產品加了VR camera (虛擬實境鏡頭)360度全景直播,雖然成本會更高昂,但我認爲創新突破不應該被成本有所限制。 Wendy: 這些項目可能不太賺錢,但對於科技發展或者社會都有很大幫助而且有意義。我們也需要多學習,學會善待身邊的人和事才能做得更好。 Icy: 看到你在全球不同地方,包括香港,內地和外國也有關於人工智慧方面的工作經驗。你覺得三個地方有沒有一些相同或相異的地方?每個地方有沒有一些特別的優勢? Met: 在北京,深圳等地,創業氛圍是很好的,但每個城市都有它的特質。至於問到去什麽地方發展會比較好,我認爲是視乎你想做的事比較適合哪個城市。 Icy: 相信不少同學也考慮在哪個地方升學就業。你剛才也提到不同城市也有各自的優勢,作爲創科界的工作者,你會如何評論香港的創科前景? Met: 在高校支援創科方面,我們會看到一個分別,看似内地的創新力度更強。我認爲這跟香港城市的屬性有關。香港是一個重要的金融中心,但文化上我們跟内地不一樣。在香港,社會一般期望大學生一畢業就做律師,金融,會計或其他專業服務;很少人會選擇創業。但我相信在香港政府的指導下,特別是香港創科局(也會見到有正面影響)。 Icy: 我自己也有參與過一些創業的活動,看到近年來香港數碼港之類的地方也有越來越多協助中學生或剛畢業的大學生創業的計劃,所以對於有興趣的人士可能也會考慮留港創業的。 Met: 是啊,我大學期間也有參與過,的確是獲益良多的。 Icy: 創業成功的背後也需要一點犧牲和取捨,比如你也一定犧牲了一些跟家人相處的時間,相信家人的鼓勵會是你的後盾。你可否分享一下父母對你的言傳身教和你當時北上的決定是否有影響? Met: 父母對於我到北京工作持包容及開放態度是重要的。對比於很多工作,創業一般會比較晚才有成績和收穫,這是很需要家人的理解。若決定要離港創業,我覺得與家人溝通是十分重要的,好讓家人清楚你事業上的發展,才能得到他們的支持。 Icy: 相信你現在的成就是因爲你的堅持和身邊的人在旁支持。其實中國現在競爭也很激烈,儘管是名校畢業生也未必找到好工作,你在北京的員工也都是來自五湖四海。你覺得不同背景的年輕人有什麽分別,而你又認爲香港的學生們應該怎樣增加軟實力? Met: 我們經常被問到究竟香港畢業生有什麽競爭力呢?現在世界大同,每個地方都有優秀的人,儘管不是名校畢業,若有高技術能力我們也會聘請的。香港人一般來説英語水平會比較高,工作態度也比較開放,國際性的視野也很重要。 Icy: 我相信我們在你身上可以學習的是要保持良好的態度和認真做人,做事吧。工作過程中除了得到讚賞,但也難免會遇到非議或者冷言冷語,你會怎麽應對? Met: 其實我遇到比較少(負面評價)的。之前也有香港媒體採訪瞭解我們的故事。我認爲如果事情是做得實在的話,大家都是會認可的。我們以每顆螺絲去製作模板,再加上外殼和軟件,逐漸拼湊出一個機器人,這些都是一些大家會認可的做事方式。 Icy: 相信風光背後也會有困難的時期,你在北京工作和適應當地環境有否都遇上困難? Met: 有的,生活上的差異挺大的。香港和内地的天氣,文化,公司管理制度,稅制(例如内地有社保)也有分別,最重要的是以開放態度並要不恥下問。一開始我在内地工作時也是向當地香港人請教,只要態度正確,問題就會迎刃而解。 Icy: 明白。你認爲最大的成功感和動力來源是什麽呢? Met:最重要的就是產品一定不可以是「偽需求」了,需要是個真實需求,為社會帶來真正的價值。現在很多機械人的需求性並不是太大,我們的機械人做配送,巡邏也是能滿足乾性的需求,解決重複性勞動的一個問題。我認爲只要能為社會帶了真實價值是有很大成功感的。 Icy: 為什麼會想做這一個配送的機械人而不是其他功能的機器人? Met: 剛到深圳工作時我留意到跟香港不一樣的是,前台總是有很多快遞(一日可能有上百件快遞),我在想如何用更好的方法去解決 last mile delivery 最後一公里配送的問題呢?這一點啓發了商機。 Icy: 聽起來很有趣!從你留學到創業,到現在在清華大學做機械人配送等相關服務,你覺得畢業後這十多年的心態有什麽變化? Met: 我認爲自己越來越堅持。儘管是内地的創科公司,很少營運超過3至5年。現在我們做到第6年也是靠堅持下來的。假若你是一般打工的,如你對工資,工作内容或同事關係不滿意,你可以隨時辭職,相反創業卻不容許你放棄。我覺得學會堅持這是最大的改變。 Icy: 我覺得我們也受到你的啓發!不管是我們正在讀書的學生,還是在社會工作也是一定要有你所提及的堅持才會成功。你認爲到北京創業是否值得的決定?另外有沒有寄語給年輕人,例如是否建議大家探索一下這個世界? Met: 一個核心的觀點就是一定要多看和多體驗, 否則你不會知道真實的情況。疫情之後建議大家來内地看看,如果認爲氣氛適合自己,可以考慮在内地工作或創業。若認爲香港或外國更適合也可以。不應該把自己框住,應該多看和多嘗試,做每件事也應該好好認真感受。你們畢業後可能會做實習,每個實習機會也會讓你瞭解更多有關行業内情和公司運作。 Icy: 謝謝你分享你寶貴經驗。有些同學會選擇創業,但有些同學會選擇先打工在其他公司吸取經驗,你對於先創業或先就業方面有何看法? Met: 我認爲應該先就業,因爲你在打工時能學到公司管理技巧。若你畢業後直接創業,你能馬上成爲管理層但由於沒有可借鑒的經驗,面對的困難會比較多。我建議你們先打工2至3年或以上才考慮創業。第一,你可以認識到如何管... 因字數限制請按此閲讀完整文本: https://bit.ly/3w4ZcPy Editor: Melody Fong

32 HandsOn HK 執行總監 Ms Sue Toomey

32 HandsOn HK Executive Director Ms Sue Toomey (杜曉晴女士)@ Fireside Interviewer: Zen Kwan 採訪者:關辰 Zen: Thank you for coming today and can you start with telling us more about yourself and what HandsOn does? Ms Toomey: Sure, well first off thank you for inviting me to come today and I’m thrilled to be talking to one of our youth ambassadors today as well. So, my name is Sue Toomey and I am one of the executive directors of HandsOn in Hong Kong, and we are a local non-profit organization. Our mission is to empower everyone to volunteer, we really believe that everyone has something to give to the community and their fellow neighbors. We also believe that in the process of helping others, people really help themselves too. It’s a really good thing to do for their own well-being. So what HandsOn does is that we partner with more than a hundred other local charities who are doing a whole range of things, community centers, elderly centers, environmental groups, educational groups, organizations supporting animal welfare, food redistribution, plastic waste… you name it! What we do is that we partner with these organizations to develop programs that meet their mission and we also invite volunteers. So we recruit and manage volunteers depending on the organizations, sometimes we just provide volunteers for them and that’s great, sometimes we go a little bit deeper and we co-develop programs together. Zen: HandsOn is a great platform and I personally use it a lot too. So could you please tell us more about yourself and how your previous workshop worked and are there any skills or lessons that you find important to this day? Ms Toomey: Yes, that's a great question. Well previous to joining HandsOn, which is around five years ago, loved every minute. I had a corporate life in marketing, advertising and media and previously worked for the Economists Magazine in a role running events and conferences and other big initiatives for Asia and then globally for my last couple years. Couple things which stuck out for me and inspired my transition is that I found that working for the Economists there were many interesting topics, but the ones that actually interested me and kept me thinking even after work hours are social impact. Whether they were around ocean sustainability or LGBTQ+ equality or food security or things about nature were the topics that I was really excited about! I really like to think about those things all day and every day. And hence I decided to move to a non-profit. My role is all quite similar to a leadership role that you would need to bring thoughts and capabilities about developing strategic plans, having strategic visions and being able to create operational plans to bring that vision to life in a real and concrete way. Being able to lead people whether in a corporate or non-profit way is about building trust with the people that you work with, so they want to get on board with you and they want to be part of the effort so there's a shared vision. And I think that any role as a manager, corporate or non-profit, your number one job is helping your teams to be better at what they do. To me, management is all about uplifting, empowering and enabling your team to be successful. Zen: As you mentioned you have worked in a diverse range of industries before, including marketing, sales and NGO, how do you find your passion and you said you want to make an impact in the work you do and how did you find this passion and any advice for teens who are going to find what they want to do in the future or unsure of what to do in their future career paths? Ms Toomey: So the first thing I would say is don’t worry. Teens have a long way to go... Due to word limit, see full transcript at: https://bit.ly/3Em8E4x Editor: Vynci Law

33 許俊輝先生:香港國際音樂節主席、新市鎮文化教育協會主席、藝韻管弦樂協會主席、一帶一路國際文化交流協會副會長

Mr Frankie Hui:Chairman of HK International Music Festival & Cultural and Educational Association of The New Towns & Grandmaster Orchestral Music Society, Vice-Chairman of The Belt and Road Cultural Exchange Association @ Fireside Interviewer: Calix Deng, Wendy Chong, Lawrence Ng 採訪者:鄧嘉熙、蔣沛芸、吳業澧 Wendy: 我們在一些雜誌報導裡面發現你推廣音樂之外,也擔任了不少公職,例如是新市鎮文化教育協會主席和國際文化交流協會相關的工作,就覺得你對教育充滿熱誠和很瞭解香港的青少年學生。你本身做音樂工作應該都已經很忙了,請問為什麼都會對文化交流這麼有熱誠呢? Frankie: 我想文化交流熱誠是從音樂那裡開始啟發的,因爲我做音樂教育時 - 我十七歲出來就已經開始做音樂教育 - 今年四十七歲了。在我做音樂教育的同時,我和很多小朋友(我接觸了很多小朋友),年青人,和不同的老師,也有很多不同的合作的層面。同時,我們發現了原來每一個人,他不是純粹圍繞著單方面發展的,例如他喜歡音樂,但是他可能喜歡運動,是也可能同一時間喜歡文化,也同一時間喜歡一些學術其他不同的東西。所以我在十幾年前開始我就慢慢加入一些不同的團體,就像剛才説的,包括新市鎮文化教育協會,其實我也有(參與)地區團體,如葵涌及青衣區文藝協進會,有一個華羅庚數學(香港華羅庚金杯少年數學邀請賽),界別都不一樣,從數學語文到音樂。我發現了原來,只要是小朋友喜歡的,青少年喜歡的,我作爲一個策劃的人士,也可以幫忙策劃一些不同活動,可以讓他們可以樂此不疲地參與我們的活動。 Wendy: 是啊!我覺得你也很熱心,也很有熱情去做這一些的事,去貢獻社會和幫更多的青少年一起建立他們自己的一些潛能。例如你做琴的初衷就是因為害怕琴的設計不好,讓小朋友的手指變形,後來又做一些音樂會的平臺,都是為了讓大家的友情和關係可以很永恆地聯繫下去。我覺得你對人這一種的溫暖才會讓你今天很成功。你之前在校友的雜誌寫了當年的中學老師注重品德培養多於成績,相信他當年對你的關懷也影響到你的處世態度。請問你覺得成功與否是不是也跟做人的態度有關? Frankie: 我覺得品質或德行真的比學歷重要,重要過我們一般的基本知識。為什麼呢?我以前去大陸又好,或者我去海外也好,到國内的農村,會看到一些婆婆伯伯,他們很有禮貌,他們說話不會有點咬文嚼字的詞彙,但就是很有禮貌,很nice,但是他們可能連書都沒讀過。原來沒讀書的文化不代表一個人沒文化,他們可能有另一個文化修養,也許就是他的處事態度。這一方面,我在學校學習有很深刻的印象,當年我的成績是可能是首屈一指的差(笑),在現代的教學來說是小朋友的反面教材,我中一是可能是全班倒數第二第三,就是還未到倒數第一那麼厲害而已,但是老師對我們的不離不棄,對我們的鼓勵,和對我們的教育就是分兩面看的:成績差他會責怪我的成績,但是當我在另外一方面有成就或者在另外一方面的工作能力是ok的時候,會得到他的認同。就例如我喜歡拉小提琴,當年我也做班會主席,organise了一些活動,去設計怎麼做一些不同的項目也得到學校老師的肯定,他會認爲我在第二方面是有才華的。在這個深刻的教育底下,我出了來社會做事的時候就有很大的啓發。面對不同的同學,或者是對不同的年青人,在我眼中學歷不是非常的重要。但當然,隨著社會進步,其實讀書,你的高低也挺重要,你起碼要有一般的成績(現在聽人說:「喂,最基本都有大學(學歷)啊!」)。我們當年如果是中學畢業可能已經足夠了,所以我會放開一點,很多時候跟些年輕人溝通的時候就更容易切入他們心裡的話題了。 Wendy: 其實我也自己也很認同成績不是一切,就像你剛說的中學老師會鼓勵你們發掘其他的潛能,所以人的才華應該也不單止是讀書,或者在學術方面,在其他地方也可以發光發亮,所以在青少年時期豎立的一些價值觀和待人接物的態度,也是成功的關鍵。 Calix: 我知道你從小就受到一個音樂熏陶,請問你是在香港,外地或外地接受音樂教育呢? Frankie: 我從小就在香港接受音樂教育,我七歲就已經在學習小學琴,當年家裡很貧窮,我們是住公屋的,百餘尺的地方要住六個人。家人也願意付出比較大的費用(佔了我爸爸的工資的五六分之一),讓我去學小提琴。小時候不是很清楚,但到十幾歲的時候我就很理解家庭的付出。我七歲多開始學,八歲多已經登臺在香港表演,那時候因為學音樂而讓自己有信心做不同的事。 Calix: 嗯,我也知道你搭建了香港國際音樂節,也積極參與不同的國際樂器展覽會,我很想理解許先生怎樣看香港、內地、和國際的(你也從事音樂教育)在音樂文化或教育氛圍上的相同相異之處。 Frankie: 音樂教育和文化也許有一點聯系。教育方面,大家都希望把小朋友教好,只是大家用不同的方法,有些地方有可能用一些較嚴厲的方法,有些就偏向鼓勵性質。文化一定是(與教育)有區別的,為什麼呢?大家聽古典音樂也好,或是聽我們國内的民族音樂也好,或者聽一些非洲的音樂也好,每一個地方的音樂無論在節奏,旋律或音韻都有很大的區別。那為什麼他們又會是一樣的呢?兩者最終也是希望將音樂灌輸給年輕人,灌輸了給人類之後,希望我們作為一個人,或者年輕人,或者少年人也好,讓音樂開放自己,用音樂啓發自己,用音樂給自己一個娛樂空間,或者利用音樂表達了自己的內心世界 -- 這音樂演繹出來的東西呢,和他想表達的事情是一樣的,但是個效果卻不一定一樣。 Calix: 明白!你的意思就是在教育方面,大家都是在用不同的方法達至在音樂方面得以有成就;在文化方面,雖然在曲目的聽覺效果有不同,但是你也認為音樂最終是為達到娛樂和啟發自我的作用。 Wendy: 接下來,我想問問許先生的人生的經歷。我知道你的經歷不是一帆風順的,例如當然你的手意外受傷,沒辦法繼續在舞臺上繼續演奏,從而走上了小提琴教學和做琴之路。在二十八歲時,你也開辦過工廠,但因為遇上SARS而停產,經歷了不少的挫折。一般人遇到這麽大的困難早就放棄了,但令我很敬佩的是你仍然不改初心,從事音樂藝術交流方面的工作。請問你當年是怎麼走出這個困境和重整方向?身邊有沒有人不離不棄地鼓勵你? Frankie: 當然有家人和朋友的鼓勵,這是離不開的。但是我覺得是無論身邊有多少人鼓勵你,有多少朋友支持你,你一定不能夠離開樂觀的心態。樂觀的心態不是我與一個年輕人或者一個朋友說:「你要樂觀些啊!」——經常有些家長說要什麽樂觀面對——但樂觀不是霎時間會出現的,是由小時候慢慢把其精神培養出來。那麼如何培養出來就留待我們往後有機會才慢慢探求吧。那麽我當年為什麼會把心放寬些呢?這也是因為我剛才說的樂觀心態。既然SARS來到了,那段時間有人比我更艱難,有人比我更淒慘。當年還有一個因素:當時我有很多個員工,很多同事,我寧願自己不斷問銀行借錢,就可以拿多些錢去support我們的老師。有些老師要養家,但是學校停課,我們做學校生意,學校停課時,我們這些老師就無法教琴,無法上課,根本就沒有收入,所以我寧願借多些錢舒緩他們的財政壓力。最後,我自己除了開工廠之外,在香港也開了一間吹笛公司做樂器貿易,除了我自己的工廠,當年其他工廠也一樣面對很多困難,我去拿了些費用給他們——反正都借了回來了——我當時有個很搞笑的想法:我都借那麽多錢了,如果真的不行,我一個人(宣佈)破產就可以啦,不是嗎(笑)?一個人破產就行啦,不需牽連其他人,那就可以把借了回來那一大筆的款項分給不同工廠,不同的朋友。當然,我不是直接給他們的,他們要上班由我發工資給他們,結果他們沒有什麼做但也可以如常運作。我得來的回報是什麼呢?原來有一班老師因為我的做法而對我非常認可,在往後的日子只要我有任何工作呢,我一找他們,他們完全沒有推搪,有很多時甚至義務性去幫忙去處理工作,這是我得來的後著。另外,有些工廠,一些參音樂的樂器工廠,在零三年SARS過後,對我説:「許俊輝先生,只要你繼續在這個行業裏,你要多少貨品我也可以提供給,你不需要支付貨款。」當時有個廠家我一年後才給他貨款,原來這就是我們除了樂觀,一向做事的信用和對別人的支援,最後能換來別人的支持,困境也是因此而度過的。 Wendy: 我也覺得你的經歷很神奇!人與人之間的關係很奇妙,你當初很有義氣地幫助他們,到頭來他們也會回報你,所以大家一起守望相助其實十分可貴。 Lawrence: 剛聽到Wendy說關於就是03年SARS,我想問下其實現在也有一個新冠疫情,這可能跟當時的情況都有點相似。在這一個情況之下,一些從事音樂或者文化這一方面的人,他們怎樣可以不受疫情的阻撓去繼續發展他們的事業?或者許先生有沒有些什麼特別的建議呢? 因字數限制請按此閲讀完整文本: https://bit.ly/3NfqxFG Editor: Lawrence Ng, Kelly Yu

34 杜豐傑先生:香港賽馬會內地事務部經理、時間拍賣合作總監

Mr William Du: Mainland Affairs Manager of the Hong Kong Jockey Club and Partnership Director of Time Auction @ Fireside Interviewer: Wendy Chong, Hannah Lam 採訪者:蔣沛芸、林婉晞 Language 語言:Mandarin 普通話 Wendy: 從你的採訪當中,我就可以看到你是一個非常擁抱改變而且不斷嘗試,一直就是以行動來為自己的目標付出努力的人,而聽說你為自己取了一個很有意思的英文名字叫Will Do,請問這是真的嗎? William: 對這個是很有意思,就是因為我的英文名叫William,然後呢一般人呢?如果比較親切呢,就叫will,那我後面呢是正好我的中文名字的那個拼音是d-u就du,所以很多人就will du will du。那我就說,欸,對呀,我說這個這個這個就是我的座右銘是吧?就是任何的事情啊,i will do it就是我要有這樣的一個,對任何一件事情,抱有這樣的一個必勝的,這樣的一個決心,而且我也很喜歡一句話叫there is a will,there is a way。那這個Will呢?你可以理解成為就是有志者事竟成是吧?這是一種方法,一個這個意念,那我就說there is a will,我總是會有方法解決任何的問題啊,就是這個是這個英文名的由來。 Wendy:因為我覺得特別有意思,就是有好像Nike的just do it的感覺,那種言出必行的精神,我們就可以在William身上可以看到,那我們現在進入我們正式的採訪。您2008年在理工大學讀社會應用學,而從此就開始了你的職業生涯和豐富多彩的人生。而其實我們現在也是中五中六生也需要面臨大學專業的選擇,那請問你可以介紹一下social science這個專業嗎?而且通常畢業生會從事哪一方面的工作呢? William: 好,我可能會講得稍微再大一點好嗎?就是首先我介紹一下我自己的這個學習的背景好啊,好啊,那我是這個出生於浙江嘉興啊,那麽我的中學都是在浙江南城的,那么在浙江讀書的時候呢?我覺得我是有一個非常想要了解世界的這樣的一個心。我就我覺得每一個中學生都是應該有抱著一顆好奇心來面對他們的學業,面對這個世界。那在這個過程當中呢,很巧的是呢,就是我有機會參加了一個model united nations叫模擬聯合國的活動,那麽在這個活動裡面呢,就被派到了香港,那這是我第一次來到香港,那我第一次來到香港參加這個活動,在中文大學就對香港的大學呢,就有一個非常濃厚的興趣,因為我就覺得說,哎呀,香港的學校跟中國內地的學校非常的不一樣啊。而且呢,中國內地呢?它主要是以高考。高考以應試為主,但香港的話除了我們說的a level, o level 等等以外,其實香港的學校的錄取還要有面試,還要注重很多的這種課外的一些領袖力的培養,課外的活動,我就覺得很適合我自己個人的個性。因為我在中學階段,其實我是參加了學生會,參加了電視台,參加了很多學校的一些組織,所以我就覺得說我不但是學習,我也有很強的領導力,那麼香港的學校可能更適合我個人的發展。所以2008年就是這樣的一個機緣巧合,我就來了香港。但當時其實我是想要去讀journalism,就是新聞學的,所以我那個時候的top priority是浸會大學的新聞學,但是很遺憾的是浸會大學他沒有錄取我,但是理工大學錄取我了,但理工大學他又沒有新聞系,我當時就選了一個跟新聞比較相關,但是相對來說又比較broad ,比較更加大一點的這樣的一個學科,能夠讓我自己能夠先了解社會。如果我要去做一個記者,我首先要知道這個社會是怎麼樣的,我要知道社會科學裡面包含著一些什麼樣的內容。這個為什麼我會進入香港理工大學讀應用社會科學系。那麼這個社會科學其實是我們所謂文科的一個我認為是一個非常包羅萬象的這樣的學科,社會科學應該是整個文科的這樣的一個基礎。那麼在這個社會科學裡面,其實我學了很多應用型的科目,也學了很多基礎性的科目,所以包括社會科學的這個社會學,包括政治學,包括心理學,然後包括像當時有學到了一些邏輯,法律等等的,其實他都是在應用社會科學這個大的分類裡面的。但是我自己在理工大學我比較specialized,是社會政策還是偏向於說政策的方向,那麼是在後面的學年的比較多,是在一些譬如像房屋政策,教育政策、醫療政策等等,所以如果你來看的話,社會科學是一個大的分類,裡面有很多不同的分支,在分支裡面還可以再細分到比較小的這些item ,大概是這樣的一個背景。我是很有幸就來到了香港理工大學,就讀這個應用社會科學系的社會政策和行政管理專業。 Wendy: 我也覺得您好像您剛才所說的非常有洞察力,而且我覺得您也很會做決定,當時看到可能香港這邊有一些不一樣的學科和系統的話,就會自己去研究,然後按照自己的興趣和能力再去做一個專業的選擇,從而開展的另一番的天地。而聽您說的社會科學也是一個很豐富很廣泛的學習,而且我覺得他也是讓你很有人文關懷,好像你剛才所說的哲學還有政治什麼的都好像非常有趣,所以我們有興趣的同學也可以考慮一下讀社會科學。我現在就問第二條問題,其實很多人中學的時候為了要報考大學而拼命讀書,但反而上了大學的話就會覺得比較laid back,但我感覺你就更加努力,很有闖勁。例如大學的時候你就要去參加一些海外的交流,看到不同的文化。3年期間去了6 個國家,包括英國、美國、加拿大、德國等等。那麼請問這些大學的海外交流計劃是怎麼樣和本科的學習共存的,而且是不是只是利用暑假的時間進行了? Wendy: 好,首先感謝你的問題,那麼我想借這個機會跟所有在收聽我們這個節目的很多的中學生的朋友們說,中學努力讀書,大學相對來說就不那麼努力,是一個錯誤的想法。怎麼說選擇我更相信的是中學不但要努力讀書,也要接觸社會,也要參加一些活動,也要認識多一些不同的朋友。到了大學以後應該是先難後易,什麼叫先難後易?一開始應該先要努力讀書,尤其是當別人都不努力的時候,你要趕緊努力讀書把你在大學第一年的GPA 能夠保持在一個比較高的水平。到了大學的後面,這兩年你就可以相對來說,沒有別人那麼努力,但是你能夠保證你的GPA 不錯,你就可以去參加很多的海外的交換實習,能夠去參加很多的社會的活動。那麼這些會為你未來的職業的發展,找工作奠定一個很好的基礎。所以我每一次都跟我大學的這些學弟學妹說,我說你們一進大學的第一件事情是什麼?不是放鬆了,不是玩,而是先要在第一年把GPA 保持在一個高度,因為很多人都是覺得說我中學非常辛苦了,我很努力考到了這個大學,我第一年我就放鬆一下,如果他第一年放鬆一下的話,他級別不高,但是後面學校的交換,學校的實習,包括你出來找工作GPA 還是比較重要的一個衡量的標準。那麼你就相對來說在後面這兩年,你就又要趕GPA ,又要找工作,又要去海外交換,就會相對來說比較的辛苦,所以我覺得我希望大家能夠先在大學的頭一兩年把GPA 把它提高,然後就可以有多一些的時間去海外交換去實習,那麼你就可以能夠體驗更多的大學的生活。好,我自己只認為GP 不是only criteria ,不是唯一的標准,不是說每一個學生就一定是GPA 好,他就一定是個好學生,或者GPA 好,他就一定能夠找到一份好工作,或者他GPA 好就一定意味著他在工作崗位上面或者將來發展它也一定好,這沒有必然的聯系。但是很無奈的是unfortunately 這個社會對GPA 是有一定的衡量標准的,所以我們必須清楚的知道,說我們要保證GPA 在一個不錯的水平,但是我們也要讓自己能夠多一些exposure ,多一些不同的這樣的一些體會體驗。那麼講到剛剛您問的問題,其實就是海外交換是有很多不同的形式,每一個大學它都有合作的院校,在很多不同的國家,那麼只要是能夠在學分credit 能夠轉回來的情況下,他是會鼓勵大家去報名的。那麼這種交換的計劃通常來說在這個大學的可能第三年是比較合適的,他可能維持一個學期或者一整年,在一個extorted location ,在一個海外的一個地方。怎麼樣去選擇這些交換的學生海外交換是要,看你第一年的GPA ,看你當時剛剛進入大學以後,參加的一些活動,你的領導力各方面他都會去衡量。那GPA 是個很重要的標准。我個人覺得說就是說這些一個學期或者一整年的這樣的一些交換計劃。適合大家去探索去申請的,但是有一些的專業,如果說你去交換了,可能會影響到你的學分,或者影響到你在本身學業的這樣的一個發展,那麼所以不是每個專業的學生可能都有機會能去海外待一年,或者在一個學期,如果不行的話,我是很希望很鼓勵大家能夠在暑假寒假的時候去海外的這些summer programme ,夏季的這些夏令營,這些不同的一些海外的體驗,這些體驗當然學校也也會有一定的安排,大家也... 因字數限制請按此閲讀完整文本: https://bit.ly/3JIZCzL 編輯:黃嘉玥、蔣沛芸 Editor: Claire Wong, Wendy Chong

35 Mr. Alexander So: Founder & CEO of ABC Group, Host of Life Insider, Cambridge Masters Graduate in Entrepreneurship

愛必思教育科技集團行政總裁、Life Insider主持人、劍橋企業學碩士蘇志康先生 Mr. Alexander So: Founder & CEO of ABC Group, Host of Life Insider, Cambridge Masters Graduate in Entrepreneurship @ Fireside Interviewer 採訪者: Riya Didwania Riya: Can you start by telling us a bit more about yourself and especially about the company that you founded, ABC EdTech Group. Alex: Definitely. Hi everyone, my name is Alex, I'm 23 this year and I am the CEO and Founder of ABC EdTech Group. I grew up in Hong Kong and I'm a third-generation American born Chinese actually. My Mom grew up in the US and Canada, my Grandma grew up in the US and Canada and I was born in the US and then we suddenly moved back to Hong Kong. I think it was a bit of a culture shock in that regard. I grew up not really knowing my own identity in some sense, being kind of mixed between the two, missing Hong Kong and the US and not knowing where I fit in. Being called Gweilo, or Gwaijai, which means ghost kid or white person. And when you go to the US, you get questions like ‘Do you ride a panda to school?” I know they are just jokes but it did blur the lines for me. I went to a school called the Hong Kong International School which was an American curriculum, based in Hong Kong as well. And I went to the UK for my undergrad which is another surprising thing - most people thought I’d go to the US. I went to a school called University College London. I studied Social Sciences with Quantitative Methods. What that is basically, is politics, economics with data science and AI developing models and stuff like that. So that’s my background. And my post-grad currently, I'm at the University of Cambridge, where I’m doing Entrepreneurship which is where this journey takes me because I started my startup, ABC EdTech Group, and this is where I’m developing it so Cambridge was fortunate enough to believe in me, and want to invest in me, their time and energy. So that's why I'm there. Now in regards to ABC, what we're doing, what we're trying to do, and what are we, ABC, is focused on creating a market solution towards making education more affordable. And this is a huge problem to tackle. I think affordability and accessibility in education is a topic that's been coming up in a lot of the UN meetings and poverty index. A lot of people talk about these issues yet there haven't been many changes to them. How we see the issue, is that we can create a market solution, which is by putting everything in one place. Like Amazon, having all products in one place lowers the price. We won't do that with education. So what we're doing beyond that is to implement AI - artificial intelligence - to be able to sort through people's learner profiles. Looking at their psychometric test, looking at their competencies, their level, looking at their multi-modal learning stuff. For example, are you a visual learner or are you a learner that learns off logic? Looking at this type of information, looking at your interest and then using AI to build a curriculum from the products that are online available. Students can really decide where to go and what to learn that are suited for their levels and for their interests. That's what ABC is. Riya: Wow, that's very impressive. That you are 23 and you've also founded your own company. You're also doing a master's degree. You're doing a lot of different things at the same time. Can you talk a little bit more about how you came up with the idea of starting ABC EdTech Group and what that process looked like for you? Alex: Definitely. I didn't know I was going to be in this field, to be honest. My background was in finance and consulting, so I wanted to continue my path in finance... Please kindly refer to https://bit.ly/3sBculI for the full transcript. Editor: Connie Lo

36 Mr. Indra Deo Mishra: Mechanical Engineer, University of Glasgow Graduate

機械工程師,University of Glasgow 畢業生 Indra Deo Mishra 先生 Mr. Indra Deo Mishra: Mechanical Engineer, University of Glasgow Graduate @ Fireside Interviewer 採訪者: Riya Didwania Riya: Hello, Indra. Thank you so much for being with us today at Fireside by Echo HK. Can you start by telling us more about yourself and your journey so far? Indra: Well, it's been a long journey, I must admit. I was born in India a long time back, and then I moved to Hong Kong when I was quite young. So switching countries at a young age really difficult, especially back then, because then you have this cultural identity of being Indian, but then growing up in a Hong Kong culture, so you don't know which culture best represents you. So, yeah, I moved to Hong Kong and I studied in South Alaska, so that was fun. You could get away with a lot of things back then that you can't get away with, especially with cameras and phones and everything. So I feel like kids were more adventurous. And then I went to University of Glasgow, where I studied mechanical engineering. And then I started my first job as supervisor for construction of these giant container ships, which you get to learn a lot when working on these container ships. And then I moved to managing these container vessels. And now I'm back in Hong Kong and supervising or reviewing new building projects or pre- purchase inspections for rentals. So it's been mainly in the maritime industry. Riya: Okay, awesome. That sounds like some great experience you've got there and going back, so you mentioned that you moved from India at a young age. You moved to Hong Kong. So can you talk a little bit about did you face any challenges with the move and how did you overcome those? Indra: So moving from a young age, so I moved a couple of times between India and Hong Kong, and you learn really quickly that you have to be very extroverted to make friends in these places because everyone has their tight groups and their tight communities and they don't really want to mingle with new people. So you have to be ready for one rejection and not let that get you down. And also be very outgoing. So make a lot of friends and just talk to people. That sort of a thing. And I'm also terrible at names, so I just call everyone my friend. So I think that usually helps the extroverted nature. So that's one of the things I learned. Be out there, be outgoing. Over time you do lose that because you do find it sick or you find a little friend group. Then you do start to become more introverted, hanging out with the same people. But in Hong Kong, one of the best things is to be extroverted because there's so many multicultural people that you can learn from a lot of different cultures and how they behave, how you can take maybe their strengths and make it yours. So I think that usually helps. Riya: Okay, awesome. You said you majored in mechanical engineering at the University of Glasgow. So how did you go about choosing that this is what you wanted to study? Indra: Well, the jokey answer is that I used to be one of those comic book kids, so I loved Iron Man, and he's a mechanical engineer. And I was like, hey, I could do that. I could build my own Iron Man. That's how I explained it to people. I could build my own Iron Man, too. I'm not there yet. I'll be honest. Apparently there's something called fiction, and that's really bummed me down. But honestly, my family is, like all engineers. So when it came to choosing university topics, I looked at banking and finance, economics, and I didn't understand any of that stuff. Engineering is very logical and very real life... Due to word limit, see full transcript at: https://bit.ly/3whi1yU Editor: Christine Bombardieri

37 Ms. Beth Kong: Full-time English Major and Part-time Writer in HK, Vice President of Queer Straight Alliance

香港英語大學生兼作家,Queer Straight Alliance 副主席 Beth Kong 小姐 Ms. Beth Kong: Full-time English Major and Part-time Writer in HK, Vice President of Queer Straight Alliance @ Fireside Interviewer 採訪者: Riya Didwania

38 Mr. Bradley Aranha: Dubai Marketing Specialist, UCLA Undergrad, University of Torronto Masters Grad

杜拜營銷專家,UCLA 本科畢業生,多倫多大學碩士Bradley Aranha 先生 Mr. Bradley Aranha: Dubai Marketing Specialist, UCLA Undergrad, University of Torronto Masters Grad @ Fireside Interviewer 採訪者: Riya Didwania Riya Hi, Bradley. Thank you so much for being with us today on Echo HK. And I really appreciate you taking time out of your busy schedule to share your story with us today. So let's start by having you tell us a little bit more about yourself and your journey so far. Bradley Yes. So thank you very much for having me. I'm happy to be here. So I am currently a content writer and e-commerce specialist for an e-commerce startup here in Dubai. I was born and raised here and then I did my undergraduate at UCLA in the US, and then I did a master's degree in the University of Toronto in Canada. So after that I came back here during the pandemic and during the lockdown and yeah, since my current position and a little summary of my academic and career journey so far. Riya Okay, awesome. That's very impressive that you got your undergraduate degree at UCLA and then you got your master's degree from a totally different country at the University of Toronto. Can you tell us a little bit more about your role as e-commerce specialist? What does that mean and what exactly do you do? Bradley Sure. That's a question I ask myself every day too. Kind of. So it's quite helpful to think about it. So my job involves mainly copywriting creating classes for the platform where we as an educated place offer classes and services to connecting institutes and freelancers and individuals to customers through an online marketplace. So I'm responsible for class creation, updating schedules and prices, as well as account management, which involves negotiation with our partners on prices, on getting current information, on agreeing to special deals available on our platform that they don't offer directly. My duties to also include social media management, scheduling social media posts and creating them and monitoring our activity and engagement and analytics. So it's kind of an ongoing process. There is also SEO or search engine optimization where I write text specifically to boost our rankings on Google and other search engines to again improve brand exposure and expose more potential customers and visitors to our product. So those are essentially the general scope of things that I do here, involving around brand exposure and also creating marketing and uniquely appealing class descriptions that will convince customers to buy these classes and learn a new skill, develop a new hobby or professionally or personally growing in some way. Riya Wow. Okay. That's a lot. That's a lot of different things that you do. Bradley Yeah. It's quite a diverse role, so it keeps me on my toes. I'm learning something new every day. Riya Okay, that's nice. We all want to do something where you can learn different things and not get bored of doing the same thing over and over again. Alright. That's really awesome. So what did you study in college and your undergraduate, as well as new master’s, and how do you think that relates to what you're doing now? Bradley Sure. So I don't think it's the most obvious path, but I do think there's some connections I can make. I think obviously a journey is hindsight is 2020. So it's like you look back and you can kind of see how even at the time you didn't know what you were doing or where you were going to go, but you can kind of see how those pieces have aligned to create your own unique journey. So for me... Due to word limit, see full transcript at: https://bit.ly/echobradley Editor: Christine Bombardieri

39 Kika Man: CUHK PhD student from Belgium studying Cultural Studies, Gender & Diversity

來自比利時的中國語言與文化、性別與多樣性中大博士生:Kika Man Kika Man: CUHK PhD student from Belgium studying Cultural Studies, Gender & Diversity @ Fireside Interviewer 採訪者: Riya Didwania

40 Harriet Bentley: English Teacher, Writer and Poet Former Assistant Lecturer in South Africa

英文老師、詩人與作家,前南非助理大學講師 Harriet Bentley Harriet Bentley: English Teacher, Writer and Poet Former Assistant Lecturer in South Africa @ Fireside Interviewer 採訪者: Riya Didwania
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