This episode, Shon and Phoebe speak with Rosemary Wang, a seasoned expert in infrastructure automation, as she shares her journey from networking and telecommunications to mastering the art of cloud migrations and infrastructure as code (IaC). Discover insights into the significance of networking knowledge in cloud automation, the transformative power of IaC, and the pivotal role of community and education in advancing cloud operations. Chapters: 00:00 - Introduction to the Episode and Guests 01:01 - Rosemary Wang's Journey into Cloud and Infrastructure as Code 06:37 - The Evolution of Cloud Technologies and Best Practices 11:43 - Challenges and Insights in Deploying Infrastructure as Code 15:00 - Embracing Immutability and Ephemeral Infrastructure for Reliability 19:03 - The Shift to Testing in Production for Efficiency 23:28 - Addressing the Gaps ...