Anthony: This week we have a special guest, Phil Koopman, author of how Safe Is Safe Enough.

He was a former submarine officer. He is the internationally recognized expert on autonomous vehicles. He’s got over 25 years experience in that, and he is a professor, associate professor of electrical and computer engineering at Carnegie Mellon. I know that’s the one minute introduction of your background.

If there’s anything you want to add, please feel free.

Phillip Koopman: Hi everyone. I think the one thing I’d add more specifically is I’ve been doing self-driving car safety, or autonomous vehicle safety as we call it now, for more than 25 years. So I’ve been at this game a long time. Wow.

Anthony: So we read your book, how Safe Is Safe Enough, and before you joined us, Michael and I were

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