How to start the Real Estate Conversation with your Partner
Jessilyn and Brian Persson draw from their Riches, Relationships, and Real Estate program to talk in-depth about communication and initiating the real estate investing conversation with a partner. Ensuring partners are on the same page requires the sort of communication skills outlined in their Discover Define Design framework and is vital to the success of a real estate investment portfolio. But just as importantly, conversation is key to the success of the relationship between partners managing the portfolio. The three takeaways providing the structure of this episode are 1) Discuss the resistance and fears a partner has about real estate investing, 2) Discuss what is desired as a couple, and 3) Design how to reach the goal on the same page with the same plan. There are a great number of facets involved with real estate investing, from understanding fears, accepting debt, where each partner’s strengths and passions lie, and the very practical aspects of forming a supportive team of lawyers, mortgage brokers, and realtors to assist in building the portfolio. The heart of success rests in conversations that outline what each partner will and won’t do and where different skill sets require outside help to bolster the portfolio. Jessilyn and Brian speak from personal experience and have the success and knowledge to offer foundational guidance. — Contact Jessilyn and Brian Persson | Discover Life By Design: Website: DiscoverLifeByDesign.ca Instagram: DiscoverLifeByDesign Facebook: Discover Life By Design Linkedin: Discover Life By Design — Transcript Jessilyn Persson: [00:00:09] Welcome to the Life by Design podcast with your hosts, Jessilyn and Brian Persson. We support couples in achieving their wealth goals by sharing our journey of overcoming barriers to build our financial empire. Brian Persson: [00:00:20] With our extensive personal experience and increasing demand from couples seeking alignment to invest confidently in real estate, we created the Riches, Relationships and Real Estate program to help you achieve your goals. Jessilyn Persson: [00:00:34] Today, we're going to talk about how to start the real estate investing conversation with your partner. One of the main reasons to do this, obviously, is so you are on the same page as your partner, and you can understand what each other is thinking and feeling. Brian Persson: [00:00:49] Exactly. There was a point in our past where we were very much not on the same page and very much not having the conversation. So we've learned through our own bruises and problems inside of our relationship to have this conversation. And we want to share it with you to make sure that you guys can have the conversation earlier than later and get moving fast on your wealth. Jessilyn Persson: [00:01:15] Yeah. And so today's three takeaways really follow strongly along the framework that we talk about in many of our different episodes, the Discover Define Design framework, but our takeaway, first one today, is to discuss the resistance and fears that you or your partner may have around real estate. Brian Persson: [00:01:36] And takeaway number one is all about the discover part of our Discover Define Design framework, where you go into your emotions, you explore what's really under the surface and you maybe you don't want to face it. Maybe you don't want to admit it. But that's what this is about, is about trying to fi
Jessilyn and Brian Persson address a topic from their Riches, Relationships, and Real Estate program on today’s episode. They explore what happens when one-half of a partnership is not on board with real estate investing and why it’s beneficial to be a unified whole when dealing with your portfolio and goals. Jessilyn and Brian relate experiences that have given them personal insight into how best to approach real estate discussions with a hesitant partner, and conversation skills discussed in their Discover Define Design Framework episodes play a part. Real estate investment and wealth building are great opportunities for a couple, but if one or the other partner is hesitant or not on board, success and growth can be limited. Jessilyn and Brian experienced an imbalance in investment goals in their own marriage but overcame it and realized even greater growth together. The takeaways shared in this episode - have the conversation, normalize real estate investing, and get educated together - come from their understanding of how to communicate effectively and how to apply relationship skills and outside tools to bring the less-eager partner on board with real estate investing. — Contact Jessilyn and Brian Persson | Discover Life By Design: Website: DiscoverLifeByDesign.ca Instagram: DiscoverLifeByDesign Facebook: Discover Life By Design Linkedin: Discover Life By Design — Transcript Jessilyn Persson: [00:00:10] Welcome to the Life by Design podcast with your hosts, Jessilyn and Brian Persson. We support couples in achieving their wealth goals by sharing our journey of overcoming barriers to build our financial empire. Brian Persson: [00:00:21] With our extensive personal experience and increasing demand from couples seeking alignment to invest confidently in real estate, we created the Riches, Relationships and Real Estate program to help couples achieve their wealth goals. Jessilyn Persson: [00:00:35] Our topic today is how to get your partner on board with real estate investing. We got approached by so many different couples at different conferences and even over Zoom asking us how we do it together. Brian Persson: [00:00:50] Yeah, a common problem we see just about everywhere. Even people who are invested into real estate, we still get questions. And it's like, how do I get my partner on board with real estate? And they actually own investments. Jessilyn Persson: [00:01:05] Yeah. So why is it important that your partner is on board with investing, as opposed to maybe it just being a solo mission? Brian Persson: [00:01:14] Well, our personal story is that I resisted the real estate investing in the beginning. Jessilyn Persson: [00:01:20] He did. Brian Persson: [00:01:20] Yeah. And, uh, what happened? We were unable to buy. We were unable to buy what we wanted or perhaps what was a better performing portfolio. And then when we actually got on board with each other and we were on the same page and wanting to invest in real estate, our portfolio tripled basically in the course of a couple of years and became a lot easier as well. So it just increases your bond between the two people and the relationship ultimately will increase your overall wealth. Jessilyn Persson: [00:01:53] Yeah. Another great thing about being aligned with your partner is it opens i
Jessilyn and Brian Persson talk about resentment in this episode. They define resentment as bitterness about something or someone that we perceive as having done wrong by us, or some action unfairly taken against us that we hold anger about. Resentment, as they will explain, gets buried deep within and puts us into a cycle of negativity. They further dive into how we identify and address resentment so we can break free of the negative cycle. Jessilyn shares personal examples of past resentment in her family and years of anger over actions her sister had taken. She and Brian then talk about the different perspectives they had in resentment when they became new parents. These stories pave the way for the three takeaways they share on how to deal with resentment: 1. Watch for the signs, 2. Put it in check, and 3. Practice empathy and forgiveness. Why do these takeaways work and how can you implement them? Jessilyn and Brian have the insight to answer those questions. — Contact Jessilyn and Brian Persson | Discover Life By Design: Website: DiscoverLifeByDesign.ca Instagram: DiscoverLifeByDesign Facebook: Discover Life By Design Linkedin: Discover Life By Design — Transcript Jessilyn Persson: [00:00:09] Welcome to Life by Design podcast with your hosts, Jessilyn and Brian Persson. We help couples create the wealth they desire by sharing our stories of how we broke through the barriers to create our wealth. Brian Persson: [00:00:19] We are the creators of the Discover Define Design framework, which supports you in resolving conflict and communicating better. Recently, we've created a branch of that teaching we are calling Riches Relationships and Real Estate. We have a lot of personal experience, and there is a lot of demand from couples who want to get on the same page so they can powerfully invest in real estate. Jessilyn Persson: [00:00:40] Yes, our topic today is resentment. I love this topic because I harbored a lot of resentment for many years in my early 20s and 30s, before I learned what it did to me and how to let it go. But when we say resentment, what do we mean? Brian Persson: [00:00:55] Yeah, it's just a bitterness to something that you think was done to you unfairly or some action or person who has treated you unfairly. Jessilyn Persson: [00:01:04] Yes, absolutely. And so why is it important to understand not only what resentment means - I think most of us can appreciate what that means - but like what it does to you and and why you should let it go? Brian Persson: [00:01:19] Well, as you know, because as you said, you've experienced it, I think pretty well everyone in the world has experienced it. And it takes you out. It puts you in a cycle of negativity and, you know, resentment. You just keep having that resentment come up and up and up over and over again, sometimes out of the situation that it even started in. So if you can't break that cycle and you can't understand what and where the resentment came from, then it's going to cause your life a lot of problems going forward. Jessilyn Persson: [00:01:54] Yeah, problems you might not even realize until years later. Brian Persson: [00:01:58] No, you might not even call it resentment until years later. You might not even see it as resentment. Jessilyn Persson: [00:02:03] Yeah, yeah. So our
Jessilyn and Brian Persson explore the topic of perspective versus perception in this episode. How different is perspective from perception and how does that affect us and our relationships? Perception is how we view the world as individuals. Our perception of things is fairly stable. Perspective, though, can change at will. We can choose to see the world from other points of view. Which one helps us better connect with others? Jessilyn and Brian have that answer. Using very relatable personal examples, Jessilyn and Brian share times when their perception was limited and how challenging perspectives opened them up to greater expression and connection. They walk us through three takeaways that can change how we connect and move through our lives: 1. Failure is only a matter of perspective, 2. Perspective is a powerful tool, and 3. Growth requires different perspectives. The lessons and insight explored in this episode can lead to more authentic relationships, personal growth, and a way to see failure as part of greater success. — Contact Jessilyn and Brian Persson | Discover Life By Design: Website: DiscoverLifeByDesign.ca Instagram: DiscoverLifeByDesign Facebook: Discover Life By Design Linkedin: Discover Life By Design — Transcript Jessilyn Persson: [00:00:09] Welcome to the Life by Design podcast with your hosts, Jessilyn and Brian Persson. We help couples create the wealth they desire by sharing our stories of how we broke through the barriers to create our wealth. Brian Persson: [00:00:19] We are also the creators of the Discover Define Design framework, which supports you in resolving conflict and communicating better. We also recently created a branch of that teaching we are calling Riches Relationships and Real Estate. We have a lot of experience, and there is a lot of demand from couples who want to get on the same page so they can powerfully invest into real estate. Jessilyn Persson: [00:00:41] Our topic today is perspective versus perception. So what do we mean when we say perspective versus perception? Brian Persson: [00:00:50] So perception is how we as individuals view the world. Our perception of things, I would say is relatively stable. It can change as we learn new ideas and modify our perception of the world, but the new perception is still relatively stable. Perspective, on the other hand, can change at will. You can choose to see the world from different angles. We'll talk more about how perspective is a very powerful tool for connecting with others later on in this podcast. Jessilyn Persson: [00:01:19] So why is it important? Brian Persson: [00:01:22] I would assert that most everyone has a fairly narrow perception of the world, so imagine only understanding what you perceive. It would be very difficult to connect with a wide variety of people, because the large majority of people would not have your same perception. You guys would miss each other. I would also assert that this is why people feel most conversations are shallow, as they're only connecting on where their perceptions match. This makes perspective critical. To be able to change your perspective so you can view things from other angles allows you to get into another's world. Jessilyn Persson: [00:01:59] Yeah, I can definitely relate to that. I do a lot of networking as I'm a part of many different women's groups, and in the gr
Hosts Jessilyn and Brian Persson talk about the differences in being attached to a pathway versus being committed to one in today’s episode. In their words, attached is a one-path solution whereas committed is a multi-path solution. Is the way we get to a goal more important than the result itself? This is what they explore today, investigating how this mindset can affect colleagues, friendships, and even family. The three takeaways that Jessilyn highlights define how committed is a more flexible and freeing way to achieve a goal. Being committed means focusing on the outcome, it means moving on, and it means deciding if presumed expectations in life are meaningful. What sorts of things do we get attached to and how does that manifest in our lives? How can we shift to a committed perspective instead? Are there things we are clinging to that aren’t serving our journey the way they should? Join Jessilyn and Brian as they break down what committed versus attached can mean to relationships and outcomes in our lives. — Contact Jessilyn and Brian Persson | Discover Life By Design: Website: DiscoverLifeByDesign.ca Instagram: DiscoverLifeByDesign Facebook: Discover Life By Design Linkedin: Discover Life By Design — Transcript Jessilyn Persson: [00:00:09] Welcome to the Life by Design podcast with your hosts, Jessilyn and Brian Persson. We help couples create the wealth they desire by sharing our stories of how we broke through the barriers to create our wealth. Brian Persson: [00:00:19] We are the creators of the Discover Define Design framework, which supports you in resolving conflict and communicating better. Recently, we've created a branch of that teaching we are calling Relationships, Riches and Real Estate. We have a lot of personal experience, and there is a lot of demand from couples who want to get on the same page so that they can powerfully invest in real estate. Jessilyn Persson: [00:00:42] Our topic today is committed versus attached. So what do we mean when we say committed versus attached? Brian Persson: [00:00:50] Right. So attached, we can think of it as a one-path solution. There's only one way to do a particular thing. Committed is a multi-path solution. There is multiple ways to do the same thing. So one example is just doing dishes. We have some stories of our own ways of doing dishes. And we have one we want to share about some friends of ours. But attached would look like having only one way to load the dishwasher, and that would be the glasses have to go here, the dishes have to go there, whereas committed would be the dishes have to get clean if they run, if they get run through the dishwasher. Jessilyn Persson: [00:01:31] Right. Right. Yeah. No, I remember a story with the good friends of ours that came over probably about a month ago now. We're having dinner, and he was very kindly loading our dishwasher, and you could tell he was a little hesitant of whether he was putting them in the right spot. And I was just kind of like, yeah, whatever, load them how you want. And I know his fiance, he's like, well, at home I have to load them a very specific way. And I remember looking at his fiance and kind of smiling, and you could tell, she's like, well, yeah, that's how they get done. And you, I remember you went to her and you're like, well, if you came home one day and the dishes were all clean and put away, would you be happy? She goes, yeah, he goes, would you ha
Hosts Jessilyn and Brian Persson talk about meaning in today’s episode. Why does the same situation or item have a different meaning for one person than it does for another? The same apple may be delicious and coveted by one person and viewed as gross and undesirable by another. Jessilyn and Brian explore how we form meanings and how we can change those meanings to reach different understandings of situations. One of the key examples of something that almost everyone in the world places meaning on is money. Money means many different things to many different people and can cause a lot of conflict in relationships. Jessilyn shares how she came from a poverty mindset growing up, rather than an abundance mindset, because her family did not have money. But even when she and Brian started achieving financial success, she maintained her poverty mindset until she explored where that meaning came from and could learn to change it. Jessilyn and Brian discuss how to discover where our meanings originated, why those meanings get stronger the more we experience a situation, and how a meaning that is held today can be changed tomorrow. — Contact Jessilyn and Brian Persson | Discover Life By Design: Website: DiscoverLifeByDesign.ca Instagram: DiscoverLifeByDesign Facebook: Discover Life By Design Linkedin: Discover Life By Design — Transcript Jessilyn Persson: [00:00:09] Welcome to the Life by Design podcast with your hosts, Jessilyn and Brian Persson. We help couples create the wealth they desire by sharing our stories and how we broke through the barriers to create our wealth. Brian Persson: [00:00:20] We are the creators of the Discover Define Design framework, which supports you in resolving conflict and communicating better. More recently, due to high demand, we decided to create the relationships, riches, and real estate segment of our teaching. After all, who does not want to be wealthy, right? Jessilyn Persson: [00:00:37] Yeah. So our topic this week is meaning. So what meaning we put on things. For example, why does the same situation have a different meaning for you or for I? I'm going to use a real simple example here, like eating an apple. When you're eating an apple, that is what it is. You're just eating the apple. But someone might say, this apple is delicious. I love apples, crisp and juicy and they make me happy. Then there can be someone on the other side who hates apples, and so they put a meaning onto it that apples are gross, they're disgusting. So it's a different meaning for a different person depending on who it is and what they put on that simple situation of eating an apple. Brian Persson: [00:01:19] Yeah, the exact same action, two different like feelings and outcomes to that exact same action. Another super important thing that pretty well the whole world puts on a whole lot of meaning on is money. And that happens a lot in relationships. You have two different people inside that relationship, and they have two very different ways of viewing money. Some view it as bad, some view it as good, some view it as they don't understand it, some view it as I got this like, let's go make a bunch of money. And that can cause a lot of conflict in relationships, even though a dollar is a dollar is a dollar. And there's really no difference between the physical form of money. Jessilyn Persson: [00:02:06] Right. So meaning kind of comes down to our interpretation or our int
Jessilyn and Brian Persson introduce part two of their discussion on adversity. Based on CORE, originally created by Paul Stoltz, part one focused on the C and the O, Control and Ownership. This episode explores the R and the E, Reach and Endurance. How far does the adversity reach into our lives and how long is it going to endure? And how do we recognize and make peace with that? Adversity is a big topic and CORE explains how impactful it can be while also introducing ways of facing it that allow for handling it to the best of our abilities. Jessilyn and Brian explain that the reach adversity has will flow through us, into our partners, into our children, and into our larger families if we are not careful. It can endure for years if we let bitterness take hold and we don’t assess it. They each share examples of large adversity from previous work that led to burnout and health stress within families to demonstrate how reach and endurance creep into daily life. But they also describe how they embraced personal growth, a different mentality, to get around the bitterness to stop the adversity’s continued existence. This is a valuable second part to pair with the first as a guide to dealing with adversity. — Contact Jessilyn and Brian Persson | Discover Life By Design: Website: DiscoverLifeByDesign.ca Instagram: DiscoverLifeByDesign Facebook: Discover Life By Design Linkedin: Discover Life By Design — Transcript Jessilyn Persson: [00:00:09] Welcome to the Life By Design podcast with your host Jessilyn and Brian Persson. We work with professional couples to help resolve conflict and elevate communication within their relationship. Brian Persson: [00:00:19] We are the creators of the Discover Define Design framework, which supports you in resolving conflict and communicating better. Jessilyn Persson: [00:00:26] This episode we're going to talk about adversity part two of CORE, originally created by Paul Stoltz. Our last episode, we focused on the C and the O, which is control and ownership. And we went into unpredictability. This week we're going to go into the R and the E, which is reach and endurance, and we're going to wrap that one up talking about when you're up to big things, it can cause big adversity. Brian Persson: [00:00:51] Yeah. Reach and Endurance. The way I like to think about reach and endurance versus control and ownership is control and ownership is you can be proactive with it. You know where your control and where your ownership lies. But with reach and endurance, I find for most people it tends to be a lot slipperier. You don't notice it as much, it just kind of as it says, reaches out and grabs on to things. The adversity kind of gets you and the endurance just keeps going and you don't really notice it. Jessilyn Persson: [00:01:23] Yeah, no, that's a good way, good way to put it. So when we're saying reach like it's one thing to impact you, but the reach we're talking about here is when it rolls into your partner, your children, your work, wherever it's going to reach and it creeps in there. And then endurance is more like, how's it impacting you long term? If you don't like, wrap it up and let it go in a sufficient time manner? Brian Persson: [00:01:46] Yeah. Reach is like, you know, the waves of a pond, right? It starts with you, goes to your partner, goes to your kids, goes to your family, your extended family, keeps on traveling.
Jessilyn and Brian Persson address the topic of adversity in today’s episode. Adversity can impact us in many ways and can strike everyone, so they are breaking the subject into two parts. In today’s part one, they focus on the first half of their CORE ideal. CORE stands for Control, Ownership, Reach, and Endurance. Control and Ownership in adversity are the focus of this episode as Jessilyn and Brian break down how to deal with adversity. Adversity, as Brian explains, is arguments and problems that come with all the stuff living throws at us that impacts our way of life. Adversity comes from a multitude of angles: illness, job loss, destruction of the home, the pandemic, money, and so many more. Jessilyn and Brian use very personal examples from their own lives to illustrate the unpredictable nature of adversity and how it often shatters our sense of control. They explain how accepting what cannot be controlled about adverse situations makes them easier to handle and get through. They detail how taking ownership of what must be managed, within the strengths that we have, is how to move forward. The three takeaways they share - control, ownership, and that adversity is unpredictable - offer guidance and a plan for tackling adversity together. — Contact Jessilyn and Brian Persson | Discover Life By Design: Website: DiscoverLifeByDesign.ca Instagram: DiscoverLifeByDesign Facebook: Discover Life By Design Linkedin: Discover Life By Design — Transcript Jessilyn Persson: [00:00:10] Welcome to the Life by Design podcast with your hosts, Jessilyn and Brian Persson. We work with professional couples to help resolve conflict and elevate communication within their relationship. Brian Persson: [00:00:20] We are the creators of the Discover Define Design framework, which supports you in resolving conflict and communicating better. Jessilyn Persson: [00:00:27] This week our topic is on adversity. Adversity can impact us in so many ways, and because it does strike everyone, we're actually going to break this into a two part series. And in our two part series, we're going to focus on what we call CORE. And that stands for Control, Ownership, Reach and Endurance when it comes to adversity. So this part one is going to focus on the C and O, Control and Ownership, of adversity. So Brian, what is adversity? Brian Persson: [00:01:00] Yeah. Well in relationships it happens a lot as everyone out there probably knows. There's a, you know, you and your partner, you and your family, you and your kids often engage in arguments and problems of all sorts. And that's pretty well what adversity is. It's all the stuff of life that comes at you and tries to impact your way of life. Jessilyn Persson: [00:01:25] Yeah. And that, I mean, can come from angles unknown. It can be anything from an illness, job loss, destruction to the home, the pandemic, whichever one experienced. Brian Persson: [00:01:37] Pandemic is a huge one, yeah. Jessilyn Persson: [00:01:38] So why is it important? Brian Persson: [00:01:40] Because you have to face it. It's going to happen. There's no way to avoid adversity in life. There's no way to avoid adversity in your relationship. And there's no way to move forward. Especially moving forward you have to experience adversity in order to get anything new and anything bigger in life. </p
Jessilyn and Brian Persson talk about choice and choosing things in today’s episode. What is choice? It’s more than the option between two things. Brian explains that true choice is essentially the choice of whether or not we accept what we are given. This doesn’t mean we get to choose everything that happens to us, but we do have the choice to accept what happens and go with it instead of fighting it. How does that impact relationships and why does true choice offer such freedom? Jessilyn and Brian talk through three main takeaways about choice: first, take ownership of our choices; second, not making a choice is still a choice; and third, choosing everything it is and everything it isn’t. When we make a choice, in a partner for example, we aren’t just choosing the things we like most about that person, we are also choosing the things we don’t like as much. We choose everything they are and everything they are not in equal measure. Jessilyn and Brian explain how the choice to accept things makes relationships healthier, fosters better connections, and lets us release societal imprints that cause us guilt or shame. Their insight into actively choosing what things we can control and what things we can’t provides a way through adversity into stronger unions and greater enjoyment of life. — Contact Jessilyn and Brian Persson | Discover Life By Design: Website: DiscoverLifeByDesign.ca Instagram: DiscoverLifeByDesign Facebook: Discover Life By Design Linkedin: Discover Life By Design — Transcript Jessilyn Persson: [00:00:10] Welcome to the Life by Design podcast with your hosts Jessilyn and Brian Persson. We work with professional couples to help resolve conflict and elevate communication within their relationship. Brian Persson: [00:00:20] We are the creators of the Discover Define Design framework, which supports you in resolving conflict and communicating better. Jessilyn Persson: [00:00:27] Today we're going to talk about choice. Choosing. Everything that it is and everything that it isn't. So what do we mean when we say you have a choice? Brian Persson: [00:00:37] So most people look at choice like the option between two things. But that's not really what true choice is. Choice for me and for you is basically the choice of whether or not you accept what you are given. So just to use a really common example, cancer is not necessarily like a choice. You would not say, hey, between getting cancer and not getting cancer, I'm totally choosing getting cancer. But you can get cancer. It's not something you want, but you can get it. And whether you choose cancer, when or if you get it, is really what we're talking about in choice. Jessilyn Persson: [00:01:19] What do you mean by when you choose cancer? Because obviously you get cancer, you get it. It's just, it just happens. Right? And so now, uh oh, you got cancer. So now you're saying choose it. What do you mean? Brian Persson: [00:01:34] Not resisting it. As in, in the terms of cancer, not obviously letting yourself die over it. No one wants that. But not being miserable, not being upset, not saying God, why did I get it? And just saying, hey, you know what, I got cancer. Let's deal with it as best as I can. Jessilyn Persson: [00:01:53] Choose that you have it, accept that, and then choose from there how you want to move forward with it in terms of fighting it and do
Hosts Jessilyn and Brian Persson address the topic of accountability and how to reframe it so it doesn’t sound as threatening as we think it is. They define accountability and relate its importance to being responsible. In a relationship, accountability goes both ways, each partner must be accountable for their end of agreements they’ve not maintained. But in saying that, Jessilyn and Brian also explain why holding someone to account means also holding yourself to account. The garbage story, Jessilyn and Brian’s “infamous” garbage story is used to demonstrate accountability. Jessilyn held Brian accountable for not taking out the garbage, but, upon reflection, realized that no structure or agreement had ever been put into place around the garbage. Through this example, they explain how accountability should be reframed as an examination of where communication failed and not as one person swinging an accountability stick at the other. They dig deep into reframing accountability so it becomes more accessible, less of a threat, and a very important part of defining a balanced and healthy relationship. — Contact Jessilyn and Brian Persson | Discover Life By Design: Website: DiscoverLifeByDesign.ca Instagram: DiscoverLifeByDesign Facebook: Discover Life By Design Linkedin: Discover Life By Design — Transcript Jessilyn Persson: [00:00:09] Welcome to the Life by Design podcast with your hosts, Jessilyn and Brian Persson. We work with professional couples to help resolve conflicts and elevate communication within their relationship. Brian Persson: [00:00:19] We are the creators of the Discover Define Design framework, which supports you in resolving conflict and communicating better. Jessilyn Persson: [00:00:27] This week our topic is on accountability. Ooh, that's a word that can give you shivers. When you hear the word accountability, how does that make you feel? Brian Persson: [00:00:37] Yeah, I think for most people it makes them feel maybe threatened, maybe a little bit accused, probably a little bit cornered, like, oh my God, I'm gonna get in trouble for something is generally, I think, how most people feel. Jessilyn Persson: [00:00:51] Yeah, it invokes that, Oh, crap, what did I do now or what do I have to do kind of concept. Brian Persson: [00:00:57] Yeah. Especially in a relationship, you know, it's like, oh my, oh my god, what's my partner, what's my what's my husband, my wife getting me in trouble for again? Jessilyn Persson: [00:01:04] Yeah. What did I do this time? So what is accountability. Brian Persson: [00:01:08] Accountability? Accountability is basically just to be answerable or liable for something that happened. So just some type of structure that says, hey, if something happens and it goes A or B way, then here are A or B responses for that. Jessilyn Persson: [00:01:25] Fair enough. So why is accountability important? Brian Persson: [00:01:29] Because if you are not accountable then you have no reason to be responsible. Jessilyn Persson: [00:01:34] Fair enough. And responsibility is a lot of work. Brian Persson: [00:01:39] Yeah, it can be. Yeah. There's also a lot of power, though, in responsibility. Jessilyn Persson: [00: