In our second episode, Chris and Degan talk about their experiences of sports from playing baseball and soccer in childhood to the meaning of fandom as an adult. What is it about sports that define how we become men? What is it that makes it matter so much?

Degan talks about whether they are feminists, and we find out what books are meaningful to Chris as a man.

And listen for our new segment, Dad Joke of the Week!

You can buy Degan's book at Brick Books. Also, we desperately need a computer that does grind everytime we edit our podcasts! If you would like to support our mission to use something more modern than teletype and tin cans, please