A BFA doesn't make you a working actor.

What’s the difference between foundational training and ongoing training as a professional actor?

In this episode, we unpack the distinction between degree-based programs (BFA/MFA) and the kind of training actors pursue once they’re working in the industry.

Neither of us came up through conservatory programs — but we’re both deeply committed to ongoing training. Benjamin talks about the classes that shaped him at HB Studio in New York. Patrick reflects on the private studio in Hollywood that transformed his craft. In both cases, the work demanded imagination, truth, and personal responsibility — not just trying to impress a teacher.

We explore:

• The strengths of foundational programs
• The pitfalls of thinking a degree means you’re “done”
• Why some actors strug ...