In this episode, Vera Gheno, noted Italian sociolinguist and public intellectual best known for her work on language and gender joins our host Matt Absalom to have a wide-ranging discussion that starts with Italian music and ends with the "death of alphabetical order" in the digital age.

In this series, Matt's Chitchats, part of The Secret Life of Language, our host Matt Absalom will talk to all sorts of different people about all sorts of different things relating to languages.

In this inaugural episode of Matt's Chitchats, Vera Gheno, begins in an unexpected place: the Italian music of the 1960s and 1970s which Vera admits to disliking, preferring English rock until her teenage daughter introduced her to the contemporary scene. They discuss how modern artists like Mahmood and Ghali are challenging the "pur ...