We watch the shows, learn the psychology, and agree that people are shaped by their environment.… But when it comes to real life, we stop short.

Our prison system doesn’t just punish, it makes people worse. And the wild thing is….We already know better. We’ve seen better systems work.

So why don’t we use them?

This episode dives into the contradiction we don’t like to talk about — and asks a question that’s harder to answer than it should be.