A story about measuring success differently—and what that single decision builds.

This episode is for SaaS founders who sense their growth metrics are missing something — and can't put their finger on what.

Many SaaS companies track monthly active users. Dean Mathews asks a different question when he looks at that number.

Dean Mathews, Founder and CEO of OnTheClock, launched his time-tracking company in 2004 after reading complaints in a small business forum. For the next decade, he ran it as a side project — patient, focused, and measuring success by one question: are we actually helping people?

That question changed what he built, how he hired, and why customers keep coming back.

And this inspired me to invite Dean to my podcast. We explore how measuring success by people rather than revenue chang ...