I talk with Diné poet Kinsale Drake about Natalie Diaz's poem "They Don't Love You Like I Love You," when about Kinsale's poem "(Re)location." We talk about platonic love, Indigenous writing, line breaks, and scale. Afterward, Kinsale has the most positive response yet to learning what the game is. This episode is sponsored by an old man trying to sound young.

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