Jimmy Mac sits down with historian Geoff Smock for a clear look at Thomas Jefferson’s two terms as president. Geoff explains how Jefferson’s first term set one tone, then breaks down how the Embargo Act in his second term showed a different side of his leadership. You hear how these choices shaped the country and what they reveal about Jefferson’s character. Geoff also talks about his work with the Journal of the American Revolution and his day job teaching middle school social studies in Everett, Washington.

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