What happens when a mother’s love becomes entangled with fear, control, and the need to keep an adult child safe?

Joi Whitmore sits down with certified Wayfinder coach Laurie Levitan for an honest conversation about codependent parenting, nervous-system patterns, inner-child work, and the long process of repairing a mother–daughter relationship. Laurie shares how divorce, retirement, coaching, and years of personal inquiry changed the way she understood herself—and how later psychedelic experiences helped her recognize embodied patterns that insight alone had not fully shifted.

Together, Joi and Laurie explore the difference between caring and controlling, the courage it takes to let adult children own their choices and emotions, and what becomes possible when a parent stops giving a child their fear. This is not a simple story of psy ...