Optimizing when life isn’t optimal is the real leadership test—when you’re emotionally drained, carrying pressure, and still responsible for people who are watching how you respond. In this episode, Josh sits down with senior pastor Eric Dwyer to talk about leading through chaos without burning yourself (or your team) to the ground.

Eric breaks down how to use “low power mode” as a leadership strategy, how to build margin before the crisis hits, and why the answer is often “somewhere in the room” when you stop pretending you have to carry everything alone. They also dig into boundaries, when vulnerability helps vs. when it becomes oversharing, and how community is built over time—often through hard seasons.

Takeaways:

• Identify what to cut first before the storm hits ...