"People don't change their minds when they hear facts. You're not going to shame someone into action. That's just not that's not going to happen. Stories, and importantly, who is telling that story are so essential. In terms of engaging with science and having a relationship with science, it's critical."

" Speaking about theater and climate change, we produced that piece this year. We followed a young theater performer who, along with other young people, put on a play about climate change informed by real scientists, and real marine biologists, including discussion of reefs and other challenges that oceans are facing due to climate change.

And I think what's really exciting about that piece and that approach, for me personally, is that we don't necessarily expect that the play will move the needle on climate change. But I think it wa ...