This is the 3rd and final part of Kellen & Sheff's episode...

Kellen Garner’s journey into the film industry. Starting from when he was a kid and not really getting that it was a job. He realized being in drama and theater, it was a good outlet him and he was in theater in high school and in college and in community theater. Some theater friends got him into a noir indie film. 

In that film, he discovered he needed more than just acting, in film, he wanted more autonomy and control of the production. The next opportunity is where he met Sheff, who was hired on as cinematographer and they became fast friends. Mostly bonding over the ineptitude of the director. It was a terrible experience that culminated in an unwatchable movie but they stuck it out to the end. It actually put them off of westerns, it was that bad ...