In this episode, Ces and Lee revisit the pieces they wrote in 2021,, exploring themes of exclusion and the power of creating one's own conversations. The writing exercise was triggered by the question, 'What are the conversations that we are excluded from?'

They discuss their experiences with exclusion, both personally and professionally, and how they have facilitated meaningful dialogues in their work, particularly in challenging contexts like the HIV-affected communities. Their discussion also highlights the role of art and theater in empowering marginalized voices and creating inclusive spaces for authentic expression.

00:00 Introduction and Welcome

00:21 Ces and Lee read their works based on the trigger phrase

00:43 Exploring the Free Writing Exercise

02:01 Reflections on Exclusion from Conversations