We dig into what democratic socialism actually means, moving beyond the slogans to examine the economic system its advocates ultimately want to build. The conversation covers the push for expanded social programs, public housing, rent stabilization, nationalization of certain industries, stronger unions, and eventually an economy where workers have greater control over their workplaces.

We also look at the ideological divide between social democracy and democratic socialism, including the Marxist view of class conflict and the argument for replacing traditional capitalist ownership with worker-controlled cooperatives and broader social ownership.

Finally, we tackle some of the darker currents surrounding modern socialist politics, including attitudes toward political violence, the reaction to Luigi Mangione, and whether socialism can  ...