Hey Pastor,

Have you ever felt that you were treading water on your church's growth? Like nothing you do is working and that ever effort you give is only ever incremental? Well, today you are going to be refreshed by this new line of thinking brought you to by my friend, Karl Vaters. Karl is the voice on small church and has a message to tell you that is going to relieve a lot of your growing pains. If you're experiencing it, he's been there and navigated through it.

I can't wait to hear what you have to say about how Karl helps you get through what you're facing!

Do yourself a favor and grab his book after listening to his talk. You can find it and the rest of his resources over at his website - Karlvaters.com

When you're ready to dive into thi ...